today, not a surprise. i feel reasonably confident that at the court of appeals we would get the same ruling and the real test would be if these cases go to the supreme court where we now have trump appointed justices and that will be the real test to see whether our institutions fold but so far so good. >> peter baker we learned the deputy chief of staff is departing the west wing. he is a long time veteran of the trump administration. we learned from your colleague maggie haberman tonight on social media that he does a lot of the true work and a lot of the heavy lifting behind the scenes in the west wing. does his now about to be former boss mulvaney, do you think survive ukraine? >> it's a great question. he was seen to be on thin ice even before the ukraine thing happened. he was at odds with john bolton and at odds with the white house council. he and the president do not always see eye to eye. the ukraine thing became a