6th committee is doing everything it can think of to do to get this investigation going. but it's hard when you have the former president claiming executive privilege for somebody who wasn't working at the white house at the time, steve bannon, a claim most legal scholars think don't have much standing. the idea of criminal charges or recommendation for criminal contempt charges is intended to send a pretty tough message from the committee. but as you say, this is entirely possible to get wrapped up in court challenges, in kind of delaying tactic by steve bannon and by others in the hopes they can just run out the clock until republicans win control of the white -- of the house of representatives in next year's midterm elections. if it does that, as many republicans expect it will. >> cynthia, same topic, 1/6 committee. one of their members was on our air earlier tonight. i want to run this brief snippet. we'll discuss on the other side. >> our goal isn't to be