but you hearted him there, part of the claim that he is making and peter navarro has made who is also admitting plots to stay in power and overrule the election is that they sthee as somehow valid according to the rules or somehow provided for by various statutes or constitutional measures. they're entitled to that defense. the news tonight is the feds are investigating this as a criminal matter. they will have the last word about whether this is according to the rules and if anyone is further charged, it goes through the urt co-system. presumed innocent, but you get your daye in court and a trial will decide. i want to give you a little more on what we're learning today that we didn't know yesterday about how the feds view that plot. there were these fake or fraudulent elector certifications. you go up the line, we're talking about the number two in the justice department, deputy