problem that maga figures have as they try to reintegrate into mainstream culture or does the fact that giuliani got cast in the first place say more than thick's unblurred lines around this? >> well, i think the republican kind of news media entertainment eco-system is enough to sustain a rudy giuliani to the point where the scorn of people like you and me or the scorn of robin thicke, who had his own problems in the past and ken jong, doesn't matter. it is more fuel to the fire. if the right people hate you, you're winning. >> i want to you know that i intellectually entertaining your argument while also morally repelling it. to your point about whether democrats could potentially learn her. as president obama went on shows like between two ferns but also with a policy purpose. here he is promoting obamacare. take a listen. >> so do you go to any websites that are dotcom or dot net or do