okay. far too often the incarcerated are overlooked, left out of the conversation and often forgotten about. but there's a human cost to incarceration. in the span of five years, 786 people have died behind bars in louisiana alone. this is a state with the country's highest rates of both incarceration and deaths in prison. and that was before the coronavirus. now, the only reason we know this number at all is thanks to the work of a new orleans law professor that has difficulty a database cataloging deaths in louisiana's jails and prisons. she joins me now. andrea, i'm so honored to have you on this show. when i read that wonderful piece profiling you in "the new yorker," your work is so self-and also important at this