>> that's my question. were they -- what did they tell themselves they were doing about all these pretextual efforts? >> they were letting trump learn the trump way which is i'm not gonna be the one who tells him he's crazy. i'm gong to let the electoral college telling that. i think it is entirely conceivable that people like scalia, bill barr, people who had been around government, people like me were watching this thing and thinking, i don't know what trump believes or doesn't believe, but i know what the electoral college is gonna do, so it doesn't matter. and i know biden is going to be president, i know all of this. so i don't care when he figures this out or doesn't figure it out. i'm not gonna be the one who goes in and burns myself up. and if i'm mark meadows and i want to make money from donald trump when he's not president,
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