>> rudy combines it all. it's shadow government and bad foreign policy. a man with little or no expertise, no security clearance, working in the shadows and moving forward with national policy. what role is he playing? a personal attorney for the president operating under the state department? this leads to extraordinary mistakes u one that we're witnessing in plain view. >> barbara, we know rudy giuliani was involved in conversations with ambassador sondland, with the two guys who've been arrested. with so many people in this thing. and the attorney/client privilege does not extend to any communication that you have shared beyond just you and your client, and so rudy giuliani's ability to invoke attorney/client privilege is something he may have shattered himself in his own conversations with other people. >> yes. you know, i think we're seeing again and again with this administration and rudy giuliani tossing off these terms that are