statement that rudy giuliani's not welcome here anymore. >> yeah, well, first of all, mimi's exactly right. it was the justice department implicitly confirming what they can't explicitly say which is that rudy giuliani is the subject of an investigation. they can't say that because their rules prohibit them from saying that but they're letting everyone know that's why they wouldn't have taken this meeting. i think the problem for the department in taking this meeting in the first place, rudy is a walking conflict of interest. when he comes in and meets with the justice department you don't know who he's speaking for. is he speak on behalf of the client who he's there ostensibly representing or is he speaking on behalf of his other client the president of the united states? we saw where he basically took over the state department, running the off the books -- foreign policy operation for the president where state department employees were expected to report to rudy giuliani and take direction from rudy giuliani. so if you're at the justice department taking a meeting with him, you have to wonder if you give him an answer that he doesn't like about his client is he going to go and report you to your boss the president of the