because if we let ukraine become basically a vessel of russia, then essentially we will have subsequently learned, mr. allowed russia's sphere of giuliani." influence and runs counter to mr. taylor described a video everything we now believe in conference call on july 18th post-world war ii. borders. the right for peoples to when he heard a staff person at determine their own future. the office of management and democracy. budget say there was a hold on security assistance to ukraine, the young people in ukraine as he's -- as the ambassador and that that order came from the president to mick mulvaney pointed out in his testimony, they very clearly said we want a and from mick mulvaney to omb. new future, we want a democratic mick mulvaney is in even more future, we don't want need of a criminal defense corruption. lawyer tonight than he was so now these two individuals, before william taylor's testimony. mick mulvaney and the president, william taylor's testimony are trying to turn the entire differs sharply with gordon policy around, it looks like. i mean, they're throwing it into sondland's under-oath testimony question and that's really to the same committees. problematic because, again, congress has spoken. gordon sondland said under oath the executive branch has spoken in his opening statement, "i do writ large. the cabinet still thinks that this is our policy so this is a not recall any discussions with renegade policy that somehow the president has tried to convince the white house on withholding his chief of staff and others to implement. u.s. security assistance from >> we have to squeeze in a break ukraine in return for assistance here. former ambassador wendy sherman, with the president's 2020 jeremy bash, evelyn farkas. when we come back,