veteran in the trump family, and, indeed, the president, himself, chose not to enter the military when he was asked during the war in vietnam. so you have two very different individuals here. someone who has selflessly served his country and someone who appears to be using his position to advantage some of his own personal interests and, frankly, jeopardizing liberty in a most tender part of the world where russia has invaded ukraine. >> congresswoman marcy kaptur, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. and when we come back, did william taylor's testimony today move rudy giuliani closer to being indicted along with his friends and associates lev parnas and igor fruman who are already indicted and will actually be arraigned tomorrow? that's next.