and trump has done this kind of thinks for decades, well over five decades, the fact that he was able to get into the oval office and has been doing it there should continue to alarm people, and we need to take steps to make sure doesn't happen again. >> michael, i want to pull on a thread that rachel and katie benner were having in their conversation, a little while ago and that is this distinction that the senate and the inspector generals office will have to make between real criminal behavior, that should be charged, which i think a lot of people tonight are wondering when that is going to happen, and things that are politics, and we have to be careful of not being the country that goes after politics, someone loses an election than everyone, they and their people are all arrested and with the jail, we don't to be that country either. talk to me about that, from legal perspective. >> i don't think there's any shortage of think you can charge trump with, and i think it may be that they do that and