southern border, but where the people come from who are trying to cross our southern border. and the washington news media believes they have you in a gotcha question when they ask when are you going to the southern border, why aren't you at the southern border, why don't you go to the southern border? that's not where the problem is. the problem is in the places where the people live that has then sent them to the southern border and that's where this vice president is concentrating, is on the places where they live and what can be done to change the situation there. >> well, that's exactly right. i think the media maybe used to four years of donald trump where it was all about photo ops and he thought he could wave a magic wand or insert his personality into anything and overnight produce change. obviously immigration is an extremely complicated problem. it was made more complicated by the fact that donald trump shut down the programs that we had in