that are being discussed? >> well, i think it's the right idea. and we talked about this before, jonathan, i don't think there should be a substitute for making it easier to vote in the first place because what's the point of subverting after an election when you've already subverted before it by not allowing people to vote? there's an idea there. taking the vice president out of the role of basically deciding whether or not we're going to remain a democracy. what it came down to here on january 6th was whether or not basically mike pence was willing to go along with this plan they had formed to throw the election back into the house of representatives. thankfully, he didn't do that. but no vice president should have that power to decide whether or not we're going to remain a democracy. so that's a good reform. these are necessary, but it can't be a substitute. >> right. the way i look at it is it shouldn't be this or that. it should be this and that. you know, congressman, axios