he said, well, maybe tram was just a bad guy. so, that line cause alina habba to be a little startled, from my perspective. there is some back and forth. essential, the arguments broke down to two buckets. one was allegations of a political vendetta by miss habba. on the other hand, there was this argument about the fact that, as you said, lawrence, that these investigations are on the parallel tracks. you have the civil investigation, and the political investigation. the argument from trump's team was that, if they release these depositions, if they invoke their fifth amendment rights against self incrimination, that can be used to draw adverse inference in a civil case, but it cannot be used