crown prince who the cia believe ordered the hit, he didn't speak to the crown prince for a long time and people in the administration were saying that the president only speaks to the king. now you see that there is this kind of return to normalcy when you have high ranking officials like jake sullivan and others meeting and engaging and normalizing what ultimately has happened with khashoggi and business as usual, so to speak, with saudi arabia. i understand also that the administration has to deal with the reality of what's happening in the region. saudi arabia is again -- you have to separate what's happening internally in the kingdom, the politics of it. they are trying to turn the page domestically. that's where it becomes difficult for countries that are seeing the changes but not able to reconcile what happened to khashoggi with the reality on the ground. >> as you mentioned, biden called saudi arabia a pariah during one of the debates. people raised their hopes. whether a democrat or republican