without it, we're going to be sort of stuck in the same cycle. >> and dr. ashby, he's sort of reflecting marco rubio who tweeted, record numbers testing positive for a sore throat isn't a crisis. the real crisis is hysteria that has people waiting hours for tests. it seems to me that based on what you've seen, this governor genuinely believes in sort of survival of the fittest herd immunity, right? let everybody get covid, the strong will survive and we'll vaccinate the elderly and the rich. >> clearly. i mean, from day one, when they were listening to folks by the likes of atlas, it's clear they're pursuing a herd immunity strategy and ruboi needs to shut his mouth because he has no business talking about public health and this is something that is life and death for particularly immunocompromised patients and he is not helpful whatsoever. >> let me go to you, daniel. thank you for being here and welcome to the show.