are saying and everything that we're hearing from western officials is true. it is the civilians who are paying the price for this war even in the capital of kyiv where we saw the strike on a mall. you're looking at the pictures there. it's not just the mall was hit. you see surrounding apartment buildings heavily damaged. in all cases, it's hard to accurately report a death toll because these rescue teams as they reach the sites are sometimes coming under fire themselves, certainly true in the east. it makes reporting this story and reporting accurate civilian death toll very difficult, joy. >> cal perry, thank you my friend. appreciate you. stay safe. clint, i'm writing down notes here. a woodchiper is who our secretary of defense described as what putin is sending his forces into. there is kidnapping people and dragging them into russia which i guess is good, you know, for their propaganda inside to make it sound like people would ever want to go into a country that's completely financially broken and where they don't want to be