actual court cases. and so they know that he's a loser politically. they know he's losing in court. he's already lost the civil liability case in new york. he's lost the case. and yet, you're seeing attorneys be clowned themselves and pretend he's an innocent man. >> or even his own attorney in court who essentially made the argument that he can assassinate his political rivals but can't be held accountable. that's where we are at this point. i mean, i think if i as a litigator made that argument, i could expect to be sanctioned or something. it's that crazy. but that's where we are now. that is his closing argument in winning, trying to win the presidency and the people supporting him are going right along with it. >> this distinguished panel is sticking with us because we're going to discuss the bombshell release of an audio recording of one roger stone discussing the assassination of democratic members of congress.