proposing policy, court challenges, we get rulings, then this would be very different. but he doesn't care about any of. that the same way he doesn't care about whether his claims about hunter biden hold up. it's all just out there for immediate consumption. it does work to a certain degree. i think now a lot of it is catching up with him. because of the things we've been talking about this morning. that real facts come out to counter it in real time. >> you spent a lot of your life thinking about your personal history. you being detained in one of the camps when you were a child and being othered, i think. there is a systemic policy of othering in a group of people in this country. this is a president who doesn't read history. proudly says he is not somebody that reads books or pays attention to history. talk about the consequences of that. how you have navigated this personally. it's in the book, of course. but the importance of doing that, of learning from what missteps were taken, what wrong turns were taken in the past?