mussolini to the president. tell me about what you make of what's happening in ukraine. i ask you this in the context of the fact that russia has made claims about ukraine, and why it should be in there, and why it is there to protect its interests and russian speaking people in ukraine. this is a very familiar refrain that we have been hearing for over a hundred years throughout europe to justify wars and invasions. >> so democracy is the enemy for putin, and having a democracy on his doorstep like ukraine is absolutely intolerable. putin is the product of the soviet system and the only way he's going to feel safe is to kind of revive a version of the soviet client system with belarus, you see how schenkon is playing his game and supporting him. the goal is not to prevent ukraine from having nato