might step up if biden doesn't run. what's the latest in terms of the beltway chatter if president biden, indeed, runs. he doesn't want to say he's not going to run. he doesn't want to be a lame duck already. what happens if trump runs too? >> it's not surprising that biden will run. remember, he first rack in 1988. it's an office he's been seeking for over 30 years before he finally attained it in 2020. it's really something he sought his whole life. it's not surprising he would genuinely want the second term. i believe that. he said in his abc interview, i'm a great respecter of fate. fate has intervened many times in high life and i'm going to respect fate it. was interesting understanding his insight and how he views the world and himself. i absolutely think if he was -- if he does have some private doubts about a second term, trump getting in the race, and,