and speak and that's the most likely source of most of what we know about ongoing investigations is people who've been called upon as witnesses. >> so gaetz also used newsmax to declare his innocence. let's take a listen to that. >> i spent my entire career pursuing justice. i don't obstruct justice. the only thing i've obstructed is the injustice oftentimes at the hands of the department of justice. i know every conversation i've been a part of. i have never obstructed justice. i've never gotten close to it. >> so you actually wrote in response to that and nbcnews.com article in which you said that could come back to haunt him. why, joyce? >> well, certainly gaetz, if he's ultimately charged and the fact substantiate it, it wouldn't make him the first person charged with criminal