it is not supposed to happen, as you know, but it happens fairly frequently. >> a loaded gun, though, jay? i mean, how often they finding loaded guns in carry-ons? >> it's pretty often. pretty often. if you're on the tsa's twitter account, they tweet out every day, they will tweet out pictures of the guns. they will tweet out pictures of ammunition. most people, jim cavanaugh, will tell you, if they're carrying a gun, they're carrying a gun that's loaded. so i think it's a fairly common occurrence. obviously, after 9/11, after the tsa was stood up and that was, i believe, 20 years ago on friday, they had their anniversary. they were put in place because airport security before 9/11 wasn't deemed to be good enough. so, the tsa was brought in to make sure that things like this don't happen.