insurrection? >> well, i mean, that is what the january 6th committee is hoping to get at the heart of. we know in this instance that the two extremists received the money, we know that the programmer had a history of donating to extremists around the world, not even in the united states. so it's just a matter at this point of determining whether those payments were part of a coordinated effort by foreign nationals to help sow doubt and dis unity in the united states. >> you write about a, quote, rolling coup of gop lawmakers receiving corporate donations, despite standing in the way of voting rights. why isn't this getting more attention, do you think? >> well, i think it really comes down to a matter of how we determine culpability or responsibility. in this case, the corporations that i'm accusing of participating in a rolling coup might not have donated directly