be able to show that the former president had an intent to commit a crime. this is incredibly difficult when you are dealing with someone who is an unrepentant liar. the fact that he says something does not necessarily -- or his intent to go the other way. if he said yes, i know joe biden won this election, that would be useful, but he could also further go on and say but i was lying when i said that and didn't actually believe it. they really have to get to this question of why did he think as all of this was unfolding? >> can you tell me, as you've been watching the testimony play out over the last ten days or so so far, because it is really coming down to this question of intent. you heard the attorney general, former attorney general bill barr and so many folks that were incredibly close to the former president. going into the presidents oval office, and in fact looking him in the eye and saying, it's all bs. this is not accurate.