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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes November 20, 2014

Protect what were told could be up to 5 Million People from deportation. The white house announced the address on facebook earlier today. Everybody agrees that our immigration system is broken. Unfortunately washington has allowed the problem to fester for too long. And so what im going to be laying out is the things that i can do with my Lawful Authority as president to make the system work better even as i continue to work with congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem. After the announcement tomorrow, the president will roll out his immigration plans on friday at Del Sol High School in las vegas, nevada. Thats the same place where he outlined principles for Immigration Reform almost two years ago when it looked like Congressional Republicans might actually get on board with a compromise bill. But when the Senate Passed a bipartisan bill by a vote of 6832, the house has refused to vote on that bill effectively killing chances for reform. The vegas location has residents beyond that. Latest numbers show almost 18 , 18 of k through 12 students in nevada had at least one undocumented parent in 2012. The state is home to the highest overall proportion of undocumented immigrants in the country. The president will likely have a receptive audience for his speech friday, make no mistake, what hes about to do with this executive action is bold and politically very risky. This decision will completely reshape the political landscape. And no one knows what its going to look look afterwards. We dont know the American Public will react. While 57 favor a path to citizenship, only 38 approve of the president taking executive action on immigration. 38 disapprove. And though we know republicans oppose the president s executive action, we dont know what they intend to do about it because, despite all the rhetoric about an imperial president , theres a fairly clear legal consensus that president obama plan is lawful. Thats left the gop deciding on their next play. Do they continue a resolution and wait until they control the senate to try to strip funding from the immigration programs . Or do they defy Republican Leadership and follow the advice of Erick Erickson who says shut it down. Leadership says under no circumstances there will be a Government Shutdown but erickson makes a case. After all republicans shut it down last year and still managed to run away with the midterms. Do republicans take another stab at suing president obama, or do they take the approach ted cruz is proposing and block every single one of president obamas nominees as soon as they control the senate . Or do they do what a handful of gop lawmakers have already suggested . On the record and start impeachment proceedings against the president of the United States . All those options seem to be on the table. And perhaps the biggest question of all, whether cooler heads in the Republican Party will be able to keep a handle on all the right wing outrage this announcement is sure to unleash. For his part president obamas strategy appears straightforward, as he says to his opponents, bring it on. Tonight at the white house hes having dinner with democratic lawmakers to discuss his executive actions. The republicans were not invited. Sadly, if it were only dinner that were required to get republicans to act in a proactive fashion, you can skip the people having dinner with the president as democrats, that would be true. You can describe them as genuine supporters of commonsense Immigration Reform. That would also be true. Joining me now michael shear of the New York Times. What is the thinking here from the white house on the timing of this announcement . Well, i think theres a couple things. First of all, you do have a sense that this is part of what people have called sort of obama unplugged recently, going after the republicans after getting thumped in the election. Its something he can push on. But the thinking has been that if the republicans were going to attack him on this subject, on the subject of immigration and the executive actions he took, almost better to have it out there so that there was something that the advocates, the activists, the democratic party, they could actually defend and they could rally behind as opposed to just having one hand tied behind their back and not being able to defend it. Thats interesting. In so far as hes promised hes going to do it, the longer you wait, the more youre in limbo that the idea can be attacked but no one can defend what the concrete proposal is . For example, part of what the republicans are going to attack on, whether it was out there or not, was the legal question. Could he do this usurping his authority. What theyre also going to put out is all of the legal justification that they claim they have not only from the white house itself but also all of the advocacy groups that want this to happen have their own lawyer and theyre also going to put out legal briefs and justification. So you have an ability to get out there. You see hell go to las vegas onned from, do a big rally and try to rally public support behind it. You cant do that if you havent announced it yet. Ive been covering the president since he was inaugurated. He does really strike me that in the last two weeks were seeing a very different barack obama, not in how he talks or rhetoric is or disposition, but how to interact with the kind of raw truth the political opposition with the other party. This is a very different tactic with this president. I spoke to a senior white house official about this a couple of days ago. This person said part of this is just a matter of coincidence. Some of the climate things that they announced when he was in asia, some of that has just you know, the timing is coincidental. There were things that took a long time to negotiate or to put in place. And they come out, the Net Neutrality thing is a similar example. But it is hard to even the senior white house official said its hard to deny that when see these things stacked up on top of each other, that this isnt a guy who took from the election a message that he was going to sort of rein himself in. Rather, he took from this full steam ahead and push back. And we know that there is a there is going to be a bill that has to be passed by congress to keep the government funded. The deadline is december 11th. Whats the thinking in the white house about the degree this announcement will affect the trajectory of that funding bill . Well, i think theres two different thoughts. Actually, they think that probably at the end of the day it doesnt affect that that much, or whether or not they would have announced it, the republicans were going to play games with it anyway. But at the end of the day they think probably the republicans are going to say to themselves the Republican Party were the ones that suffered the last time the government shut down and probably will not do anything. And frankly, from the democratic perspective and from the president s partys perspective, the more that the republicans flirt with that probably the better off they think things are. Michael shear of the New York Times. Thank you. Sure. Joining me now ben domenech. What do you think republicans should do . Before that, i have to congratulate you. You totally predicted this. The last time i was on with you, you brought up after 2006, george w. Bush went out and ignored Public Opinion and doubled down on the iraq war. Thats the exact same thing thats happening right now at the white house. If you think about it on immigration, executive power, drones, surveillance, this is barack obama rolling up his sleeve and showing off a what would dick cheney do bracelet. Its interesting what ted cruz wrote. Hes basically giving permission to the establishment and to the leadership to say, hey, you wanted to lead on this stuff. Now you can do it because those in the party closest to the blast radius on this because of their push in the past, thats dead in the water, thats finished. Its done. I think that republicans really ultimately will end up having internal beltway focused fights with Senate Democrats and with democrats in the house where they basically try to extract as much pain as possible on a number of issues. Both on immigration stuff, funding, but Committee Assignments and staffing levels. Theyre just going to pull off a bunch of dick moves to democrats to make them feel move if they cant make president obama feel pain over the way hes approached this issue. I actually think thats 100 accurate. Theres no appetite in the leadership for a shut down because republicans believe theyll be blamed for the shut down. Erick erickson saying you got blamed for it, a year later no one remembered. You did well. Like go to it. Go stick it to them. I got to say i dont think thats the right thing substantively. As sheer political advice, you and i agree they really do care. I think youre totally right. Theres going to be a kind of micro aggression tit for tat. If you think about the people that benefit from this within the Republican Party, its the bob goodlattes of the world. People saying they just wanted to do a border bill and a security focus bill because thats what the polling of their own base said they should do. They didnt want to tip toe around amnesty. This kills that issue. It will have an amazing effect on how the battle plays out because of how much it changes that dynamic of that conversation about immigration. I actually think its fascinating because from a political standpoint, this move is clarifying for both sides. Yeah. You know what i mean . Kind of heightening the contradictions but in a useful way, right . The coalitions are what they are in terms of what we want to see happen. Well have that electric polarizing moment. Thank you very much. Good to be with you. Joining me now is Lorella Praeili founder of united we dream. Your response to the announcement today that well hear what this is tomorrow . I just feel very excited that this day is finally here. Weve been working hard for this moment. Its a bittersweet moment. Were hearing that families of the recipients wont be included. But were not going to let that dampen the fact that this is a victory for millions in our country. Im very excited. I get to share this victory with my mother. I was able to fix my status and become a green card holder in 2012. Now my mom will be protected by this announcement and this new policy. Shell be able to see some of her dreams come true. Your mother will qualify for what appears to be announced tomorrow . It appears to be so. We dont have the details yet but shell make it. What about people that say your mother needs to get to the back of the line, that shes cutting the line, that this is a reckless skirting of the normal procedure . Yes, what i will say to them is create the line. There was a bill and we worked on a bipartisan bill in the senate. It passed with overwhelming support in the senate. It then was blocked by house republicans. So there is no line. The whole point of passing federal Immigration Reform is creating a line so that people like my mother can get on it, do everything that they need to do, come forward and eventually become legal permanent residents but that line doesnt exist. The gop has only voted to deport dreamers, to deport young undocumented people, so they have no vision other than a Mass Deportation Party for this country. Are you prepared, are you and the dreamers and the advocates, are you prepared for the possible backlash, if are prepared if this is polarizing in a negative way if it brings out a lot of ugliness over immigration and immigrants . Yeah, so we know that the gop is going to try to kill this, its going to try to stop this. But what we also know is this is not about republicans trying to stop the president. Everything that republicans do from a lawsuit to trying to pass bill to repeal this or block the executive action from happening will be about republicans trying to actively deport millions of dreamers and millions of parents of u. S. Citizen children. And well make sure that the Community Knows that. We are ready you know, our message to them has been bring it. Weve actually been saying ole, gop, because theyve been saying this action is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Were ready to have our fight. Well protect our victory just like we protected daca. This is not the end. This is really just building on our success as a movement and we need to build power. We need to register people to vote. And we need to continue to build so that more people have relief and protection from deportation. Ole, gop, says lorella. Rachel maddow and i will be bringing you live coverage of the president s big immigration speech. Okay, can the president actually prevent up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from being deported . And how is that legal . Plus my conversation with eva longoria. And ah, so you can see like right here i can just. You know, check my policy here, add a car, ah speak to customer service, check on a claim. You know, all with the ah, tap of my geico app. Oh, thats so cool. 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Its a natural question. Part of the reason conservatives are scrambling to respond is that almost all signs point to yes. Right now there are roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u. S. And pretty much everyone agrees. The federal government simply doesnt have the resources or hasnt appropriated them to deport all 11 million of them. Someone has to make decisions about who to prioritize for deportation. And that someone, according to the constitution, is the executive branch, which determines how to implement the Laws Congress passes. The president has the authority to decide which deportations to prosecute and which not to prosecute under the principle known as prosecutorial discretion. In 1974 the Supreme Court said the executive branch has exclusive authority and absolute discretion to decide whether to prosecute a case. In fact, every president since eisenhower has used executive action to influence immigration in some way. President reagan today signed the massive Immigration Reform law which will affect the status of millions of immigrants who are now here illegally. The law is complicated. Applicants may not be granted permanent residency for years. And employers who can now be fined for hiring illegals fear economic impacts. But for an estimated 4 million eligible people, the word amnesty has a definite ring. That law after reagan signed it, it was passed by congress and after he signed it in 86, it quickly became clear the bill gave status to certain people but left out their children and spouses. Reagan first acted to fix that oversight in 1987, his i. N. S. Commissioner deferred hearings for the children of people applying for legalization under the law that reagan had signed. Three years later george h. W. Bush expanded on that through a similar executive action. Deferring the deportation of children and spouses of people covered under that 1986 immigration bill. At the time the administration estimated 1. 5 Million People would be eligible or 43 of undocumented immigrants living in the country. President obamas latest executive action will reportedly affect up to 5 Million People on top of the 2 million available for action from daca from 2012. That is 55 of the estimated 11. 2 million undocumented immigrants here now. It is true what president obama is planning to announce tomorrow is larger than what president s before him have done, bu

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