third party bid. a full 75% of democrats reject the bad. just 13% of urban respondents and 27% of suburban correspondents back trump's plan. and there's also a big education gap on this question. trump's ban opposed by 81% with those of post graduate degree d. those with a high school diploma are split. this poll also finds that more than two-fifths of the country believe trump's statements are frequently insulting or have the wrong approach. 24% say that trump's manner and language might be problematic, but they believe he's raising important issues. another 22% say that trump is telling it like it is, and has the right approach. but as you might expect, republicans see trump differently. among republican respondents, only 16% find him insulting. 37% he's raising important issues and 40% say he's telling it like it is and he has the right approach. i want to turn to some breaking news that relates to all of this. with 53 days to go before the caucuses in iowa, 220 days until the republican convention in cleveland, and donald trump still leading the polls, the republican party establishment is now preparing for a brokered convention, officially. let me bring in someone we can call on an msnbc news analyst, bob costa. you broke this story moments ago. it's a group of republican insiders that suddenly decided to start talking about a contested convention. how did this come about? >> they met monday night on capitol hill. reince priebus was there, and a group of long-time party hands, people that have been close to mitt romney, george w. bush, people going back many campaigns and said to the party chairman, you have to start to prepare for a brokered convention and have a strategy if this goes to a second ballot. what that means perhaps is having some campaigns if they decided to end, suspend their campaigns to throw their delegates somewhere. >> robert, two of the people in that room were mitch dannials, and former vice president dick cheney. >> this was the ultimate gathering of the republican establishment. it was strictly off the record, it was like a political fight club. but the word leaked out and it all became an event, because priebus started the meeting just talking about the rules. and people said, wait a second, mcdonnell, prix dis, what are we going to do if trump has the delegates going into cleveland. >> there's also logistical nightmares for the rnc. if you don't have a presumptive nominee, that means more hotel rooms. it means the nominee doesn't control the speaking slots at the convention. there are a lot of -- there is a logistical reason why you have to prepare for this if you really believe this could happen. >> that's right. and this is something priebus thought would not happen. he said months ago that there would probably be a nominee in march for the republican party. there's a concern they can't be overtly anti-trump. they know if they do that trump can run as an independently. so if trump becoming the nominee, they need to have an alternative strategy. >> and i want to clarify one thing. this is a group of party elders that meet regularly. it was started by cheney and daniels. clearly, it was a room filled with the establishment correct, robert? >> certainly. these are people that have been involved in campaigns going back decades. you had governor bush and senator rubio, long-time party insiders. >> bob costa, i'll see you at the end of the show. again, welcome aboard as an official msnbc political analyst. we do think this is connected to all things. so let's go back to our poll. two members of our bipartisan polling team, fred yang and republican pollster michael roberts of public opinion strategy. so michael, let's remind people of these numbers again. favor overall, 25%, oppose 57%. with a fairly high no opinion, i want to ask both of you this. what do we make of the nearly 20% who wouldn't give an opinion on this? mike, i'm going to start with you, then fred. >> i think you've got a 2-day-old policy from a member of one person that's running for office from the republican side. i'm not surprised at all 20% of americans don't know what to make of a 2-day-old policy that somebody mentioned seemingly off hand like donald trump often does. so that's all it is, it's just people don't know what to make it. and people are a little shocked about what just happened. so no surprise. >> fred, we talked about this before. sometimes people won't say to a live caller what they might call on the internet, because there was an internet flash poll that indicated a higher number of republicans were supportive of trump. that is what some people will ask me, could this be one of those case where is that the undecideds maybe doesn't want to tell a live poller what they think. >> i do think there's some of that. look, i think mike is probably closer to what is going on, as this is a radical policy and people need time to process it. what's interesting about this question is the favor and oppose, 25, 57, is very close to donald trump's overall feeling thermometer. so it does indicate trump has limited potential in a general election. >> you have to advise republican campaigns. you have these results, a republican campaign says okay, how should i interpret these results? this is a divided republican primary. basically republicans appear to be split down the middle on this question. >> right. and i think what you've got to say is, first, across the poll, the most important thing is americans aren't looking at donald trump as a -- synonymous with the republican party. only 25% of the people said that he's representing the republican view on this. and so that's the first i think and most important finding from this national survey of adults. as a republican position, i don't know that'9" has much merit or much standing. i think beyond the poll, you have republicans across the hill and the country condemning trump for this kind of position. so i don't think there's much mystery there. >> and fred, i guess you look at this and the education divide, which is the starkest. it really is -- i was talking with a muslim colleague who said, i was telling him about the irony of this education divide. he said to me, that's isis. it's the uneducated so-called muslims that are gravitating to isis, not the educated. talk about your ironies of ironies. >> i think the numbers were real interesting. >> all right. fred, michael, thank you both. we got a lot more coming out in the next couple of days. stay tuned. i want to get some reaction from some candidates. some cash back cards love to overcomplicate things. like limiting where you earn bonus cash back. why put up with that? 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>> my reaction is that demagogues historically try to play people off against each other. what we have seen in the last many years in this country is people playing whites against blacks, men against women, straights against gays, native born americans against people who immigrate to this country. it's the oldest trick in the world. instead of focusing on why the middle class is disappearing, massive levels of income inequality, corrupt campaign financing, let's blame all muslims or all mexicans are rapists. so we have to come together as address the real problems facing us. >> there's a big divide between urban and rural and education on this. one way to interpret it is many americans don't know much about islam. and you can look at this and say, the more you know, the less fearful you might be. what would you do as president to reassure folks that live in middle america that may not have met many people who are muslim about the religion? >> look, chuck, as i think everybody knows, there are wonderful people in every religion. there are awful people in every religion. and historically, terrible, terrible things, including mass murders have been done always in the name of religion. and that's what we're seeing right now. the overwhelming majority of muslim people in our country are law abiding, serious, good people. some are not. that's true of every other religion and what we have to understand is that we judge people as martin luther king jr. reminded us, based on their character, not the color of their skin, not their religion. i think as a nation, we have got to do better. for all of us to get to know each other in a way we don't do, including the muslim community. >> i know when it comes to the issue of isis, there seems to be two challenges. one is military, perhaps diplomatic, in the region itself. the other is defeating an ideology. and i know you were asked a lot on the military front, i don't know if you've been asked about the ideology. how do you defeat an ideology like that? >> from the military point of view, we need a coalition from muslim nation who have troops on the ground, supported by the united states, russia, the uk, france. that's all -- >> that's interesting, you would have putin in this coalition? >> absolutely i would. look, they lost an airliner and several hundred people. they have an axe to find here. let's work with them and put aside the differences that we have. but you ask a good question. in a world of despair, chuck, what you have is young people who want to believe in something. and if they don't have meaningful, constructive things to believe in, then terrible people can get them to say you know what life is about? blowing up somebody, giving up your own life. and by the way, it's not just us who has to counter it. read what people like king abdullah has to say. he is leading the effort to fight for the soul of islam, to make sure that islam is not hijacked by terrible, terrible people who want to convert it into a religion of hatred and violence. >> it's interesting you brought up king abdullah of jordan. a lot of this, you talk to anybody, there's a feeling that a lot of this has come because too many saudi elites have turned the other way for what's going on inside saudi arabia. how would you handle saudi arabia on this issue? >> i agree with that criticism. look, two things. number one, you have a country like qatar, which happens to be per capita the wealthiest country in the world today, the wealthiest. they will spend $200 billion plus for the world cup soccer games in 2022. you tell me how much they are contributing to the war against isis. and the answer is not a whole lot. saudi arabia, third largest military budget in the world. they're busy in yemen. how about them getting involved in the fight against isis. and what we see in both of those countries, there are reports that families in those countries are, in fact, contributing money into isis. that has got to change. >> how do you stop it? what do you do? what leverage do you use? >> you've got a lot of leverage. the united states of america, europe, have a lot of leverage. an enormous amount of leverage to demand that they join us in the fight against isis. that it is in their neighborhood, that sit their religion being hijacked. >> that leverage what, military contracts, what is it? 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(elephant noise) (donkey noise) hey candidates! answer the call already. moments ago in chicago, family members of police shooting victims gathered to speak out against the city's police department and mayor rahm emanuel. it came as demonstrators called for mayor rahm emanuel's resignation for a second straight day. protesters stained what they called a die-in and marched with signs that read "do no harm" and "fire emanuel." this comes of publicly released videos showing multiple officer involved shootings. and the mayor continued to try to reach out to the city, attempting to rebuild the public's trust. joining me now is former virginia governor doug wilder. good to see you, sir. >> chuck, always good to talk with you. i wish you well in your expanded endeavors. >> thank you so, sir. let me start with getting your reaction. you've probably known rahm emanuel a little bit. >> i've never met him. >> oh, is that right? >> no. you have to go to the white house to meet him and i didn't meet him there. >> we will file that away for a minute there. but let met ask you, give me your advice to him from afar, watching him have to deal with this. >> i'm watching the protesters. my advice to them would be don't stop. continue to demand what is right, and to criticize what is wrong. and leadership means to do just that, to lead. now, you and i know quite well that rahm emanuel, by reputation, is a very smart man. there is no way you can tell me that he did not know what had taken place, not just in this place, but other matters affecting the chicago police force. >> so you don't believe his public statements? >> the public statement? the latest one was what? >> that some of this stuff he didn't realize what was on these tapes. >> well, i would say what i have said earlier today, that leadership requires you to be aware of the people on your leadership team. and either you know or you shoul