0 on about. >> the president bushed back on this and benghazi and i think we need to push back on it forcefully despite the fact that it hasn't been done on the other side. let me show you the gop's focus on benghazi and whether it was politically motivated. >> the whole issue of this -- of talking points, frankly, throughout this process has been a side show. the fact that this keeps on getting turned out, frankly, has a lot to do with political motivations. we've had folks who have challeng challenged hillary clinton's integrity, mike mullen and pickering. they've used it for fundraising. >> ben, how do you respond to the fact that we're now looking at two very serious things being launched at the president that maybe is not as serious as all of the smoke around it. games, changing the story in benghazi? >> well, i think it's simpler than that. it was a very legitimate investigation when it began. did the united states do or not do something that got these guys killed in libya? could it have been prevented? basically, it came up empty on that. there were things that could have been done but nothing that was in an immediate sense and the government has moved to fix that sort of thing. instead, they are looking at what was said in the days after and were they divulging all of the information in an immediate time frame or did it take them an extra three days or something and the truth is that is a side show. you can argue about whether it was politically motivated or not. in the end, it doesn't matter because the information was coming out anyway. that's what is so maddening about the irs thing. if it was legitimate, then all exempt service because of the 2004 presidential election. what is violating your status if you take a position on peace against war unless you were telling somebody who to vote for, which ended up not being the case. the right didn't scream about that. so i mean, we're seeing people that are screaming now when we don't know the whole list that had nothing to say when it was specific and clearly around an election time. >> and they are jumping to conclusions and assuming this was political when in fact it's an independent agency. there are two political appointees and the white house has made clear that the president learned about this on friday. look, we've got to maintain the independence of the irs, of the justice department. that is the sovereign contract we have between the american government and the people. and the president has made it absolutely clear that he's going to get to the bottom of this and hold those folks accountable if they violate any laws and i guarantee you after the facts come out, as we get down the road to the end of this thing, those people are going to be held accountable and heads are going to roll. >> well, i tell you, dana, some people choose, one, conspiracy, others choose another. but if you're glenn beck, you just put them all together. glenn beck argued that the irs, benghazi, he a the boston bombings all swing together. so leave it up to beck. he'll find the whole one huge conspiracy in all separate things. but stay tuned, we're going to keep on making it live in terms of a discussion and honesty and fair on this show. dana milbank, ben labolt, thank you. another right brings the obama's daughters into this and it's sleazy and reckless and won't be tolerated. plus, dramatic new cell phone video of the rescue in cleveland. we'll have that and news on the suspect's brothers. and good-bye to a true television trailblazer. barbara walters makes a huge announcement? >> the summer of 2014, a year from now, i plan to retire from appearing on television at all. hey america, even though she doesn't need them, cheryl burke is cha-cha-ing in depend silhouette briefs for charity, to prove that with soft fabric and waistband, the best protection looks, fits, and feels just like underwear. get a free sample and try for yourself.