0 your honor. anybody can testify -- i -- >> the judge pointed out to castro that some of his statements were inconsistent with his guilty plea to repeated counts of rape and imprisonment of his victims. >> you said that you are a victim and that you may have been a victim in the past in your childhood. i don't know, but from the time of majority, you have not been a victim, you have been a victimizer. >> joining me now, marcia clark, and linda fairstein, former chief of prosecution of sex crimes. linda, i'm struck by his need to tell us that he is not a monster. he says i'm not a monster, i'm sick. and you heard him go through a bunch of defensive characterizations of himself. is that typical in your experience of defendants like this who know they are guilty of what they did. but feel that there are certain parts of it -- parts of that story, anyway, that they want to soften. >> well, yes, it is entirely self-serving, and marcia is saying the same thing over and over again, every time he says i am not a monster, he describes conduct that is monstrous, this man drove a school bus for years. those children were exposed to that. every time he said i didn't mean to hit my wife, but her conduct made me do it. gina got in the car because she wanted to get in the car. the most self-serving and just horrible, horrible repetitive denial that all of these things were willful acts and willful acts, exactly, of a monster. >> marcia clark, i was fascinated by that moment that i would have actually liked to hear more from him when i picked up the first victim. i didn't plan it that day. it was not something that he set out to do. he said he just heard her say something at the store and then that triggered whatever this madness was will him. when he embarked on this, and that is what is so psychologically fascinating, the triggers, why did he not do this particular crime before? why was this the moment and why was this the girl? >> i wouldn't be so quick to believe him if he says he didn't plan it, it was in the moment, and she says this one thing and he went off and did it. i wouldn't personally buy that at all. it is really typical of pedophiles and this type of predator in general, to try to disclaim any kind of premeditation, to try to disclaim any real responsibility. so if you notice all of these statements, as linda, i'm sure has seen throughout her career, these statements are all going through himself making him seem like the victim. as the judge pointed out. he says he has no responsibility, i'm an addict, and then shift the blame to the victim. as linda pointed out. you see that with domestic violence all the time. the woman made me do it. something she did and said. always it comes down to the victim who somehow inspired the conduct and made him do what he did. and in this case, something she said at the store made him do it. i think that is just the typical way that they avoid responsibility. in my opinion, it is most likely true that he was planning this in his mind or in his fantasies for quite a long time before he finally acted out. that he had many things in his mind that he was dreaming about, fantacising about, plotting, even if he didn't have concrete plans this idea was a seed that had been growing inside him for quite sometime before he acted out. >> that was a very good point, marcia, that a lot of what he said was not believable. i didn't catch that point that you just said, that actually sounded credible to me when he said it. but i see what you are saying. the one thing that nobody is buying, the crazy comments he made about these people he imprisoned. and he talked about, well actually, that sex was all consensual, when in fact he already pled to rape for that sex. but i want to hear more from him, his version of an apology, which was another extraordinary part of his statement today. let's listen to that. >> i don't know why -- i mean, with everything going on -- i had a job and a home. moments. a person that has been tortured doesn't act normal, doesn't act withdrawn and everything. on the contrary, she was happy. michelle, from day one, no one missed her. i never saw -- but -- i feel -- when they questioned, when they questioned my daughter, you know -- that is okay. but they should question me, i'm her father. if they would have questioned me o -- they would have seen -- it would have ended right there. >> linda fairstein, so much to react to from his personal psychiatric observation of the victims, what he thinks is their moods, which is just madness to listen to. the statement, why didn't the fbi question me? he is trying to blame the fbi for the girls remaining in prison because he didnthey didn question him. >> he is trying to blame everybody for what his conduct was all the way. and as marcia said, i'm entirely skeptical, this was not his first chance to abduct girls, whether it was fantasy. crimin they will be able to examine this case, and rape her repeatedly, and then bring two more women in. so the tip of the pathology, it is just shocking to hear him claim these things and claim it to the world. >> this is the way he gets to go to sleep at night. as he says, hey, i see the girls out there, they seem to be perfectly okay after their captivity, so how bad could it have been? >> yes, and so this is the thing that is interesting, lawrence, you're so right. there is a fascination to the delusional quality of the story he tells himself. but they do this, in my experience, they tell themselves these stories about it, it was consensual, the girls enjoyed it. they wanted it. all the things they tell themselves, they truly believe it. and even if they were confronted with evidence to the contrary, they would say that you're wrong, that you misperceive, that you don't understand these girls, these victims. they tell themselves these stories and truly believe it. which is why he was so open with his feelings about the case at the sentencing. you wouldn't expect anybody at the sentencing to be so open and he truly believes it is the truth. and believes he himself is the victim. so he doesn't feel any compunction about speaking this way. because there is no conscience as we perceive it. he has no understanding. >> marcia clark, linda fairstein, thank you for joining me on this very troubling coverage of this case. thank you for your guidance. coming up, the woman who survived being in captivity gives a statement. it is extraordinary. next. 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