that he was worried about it. he said what is troubling to law enforcement officers and to me is the chance that citizens will misunderstand what the law says. and that worry turns out was understandable since there was no real way to explain what that indiana law did except this. the indiana law that lets citizens shoot cops. or another take on it. nra backed law spells out when indiana residents may open fire on police. at least when fox news covered it they phrased it as a question. should citizens be able to shoot police? the answer in indiana thanks to mitch daniels selling the legislation is yes. in specific circumstances that law only allows you to use force against the police including deadly force against the police if you believe they are acting unlawfully. only under those circumstances then you can use force against the police. if you want to kill a police officer, if you want a legal defense where you can walk free after shooting and killing a police officer your defense in indiana has to be you think the police officer was acting unlawfully and that you believe you were preventing serious bodily injury. if that is what is going on in your head go for it in indiana apparently. the nra backed that bill. the republicans in the legislation passed that bill and mitch daniels did sign it into law. it is a remarkable law even for this current iteration of the nra and indiana. that law didn't get all that much national attention, at least in mainstream circles. in nonmainstream circles that indiana law got lots of attention and it inspired a lot of armed resistance against armed tyranny kind of stuff particularly on youtube. these two cobbled together home made videos on youtube celebrating the indiana shooting cops law as invitation to armed revolution against u.s. government both posted not long after the law signed. you can find them on youtube. on the website they got liked, approved online by this 22-year-old woman originally from indiana, late of nevada. the reason her online history of liking or disliking things is making the national news is because she and her husband left a long online trail that more or less may explain why those two went on a shooting rampage yesterday in las vegas including ambushing two police officers at a pizza joint killing both of them and killing another man at a local wal-mart. the woman shot and killed her husband before she killed herself. five people including two assailants killed in an orgy of gun fire in the united states. it's sort of something more than an every day occurrence but usually less than a national news story. the reason this one has risen to the level of national and intense interest is in part because of that online trail that the killers left behind as well as the unusual and seemingly political trappings of the crime scenes in vegas and how they left them. >> they walked past our officers eating lunch and immediately mr. miller pulled a hand gun out and shot officer soldo in the back of the head. the officer immediately succumb to his injuries and there was no further movement from him in the booth. at that time officer beck immediately began to react when he was confronted with lethal gun fire from jerad miller. he was shot once in the throat area. what happened after that very quickly is that amanda miller then removes a handgun from her purse and both jerad and amanda miller fire multiple shots in to officer beck. this entire incident at the cici's is captured on video tape. we are conducting forensic review on the video. immediately upon the shooting finishing the suspects pulled the officers out of the booth and on to the ground where they placed a gadsden flag, the don't tread on me yellow flag on the body of officer beck and put a swastika on his body. mr. miller pinned a note to officer soldo that basically stated this is the beginning of the revolution. they made the same types of comments inside of the restaurant where numerous patrons heard the commentary and walked out of the restaurant, gathered their backpacks and proceeded in a southbound direction. they crossed nellis boulevard over to the wal-mart and entered in to the front door the of the wal-mart store. immediately upon entering the store he walked into the front doors and fired off one round and told the people to get out and that this is a revolution and that the police were on the way. >> this was not a revolution, but the police were on their way. multiple police officers responded to the wal-mart where the couple apparently barricaded themselves in the store. they apparently did not shoot out or kill anyone inside the store after the first victim. who they shot inside wal-mart. although officers shot at them in the store the couple died by murder-suicide rather than be shot by police or taken in to custody. the female in the couple is reportedly 22 years old, the one who appears to be focused on the political goal of killing police officers at least showing interest in that. with her you tube profile and other on-line comments. mother jones magazines reports in 2012 a week after mitch daniels signed the indiana it's okay to shoot cops law the male suspect also reportedly wrote approvingly about the law on the website of alex jones. mostly the record of his online existence is very focused on the second amendment. this is him posting something that says police will never attack armed people the way they will attack unarmed people. posted multiple videos of himself on youtube talking about the second amendment lamenting because he was a person with so many convictions he could not legally own guns and at one point he posted on facebook he wanted help acquiring a weapon. whether or not this was meant as a serious request for help in obtaining a rifle police say they recovered from the crime scenes in las vegas no rifle. the only long gun recovered is a shot gun and recovered four handguns in the wal-mart. police seem to believe that two of the hand guns were used by the couple. the other two handgun that they had may be guns they took from the police officers who they killed at the first venue. in addition to the indiana it's okay to shoot cops law and second amendment issues broadly the male suspect from the couple -- this has received a lot of attention today -- he has an extensive online trail related to the bundy ranch and the standoff between the nevada rancher who doesn't believe in power of government authority higher than county sheriff and refused to pay grazing fees, the conflict between him and federal law enforcement officials when the fox news channel ripped that conflict between a rancher and the federal government in to a national frenzy on the far right, this spring, in april, the male suspect from yesterday's shootings in las vegas appears to have posted on his facebook page about his support for the bundy ranch fight. said this is the next waco. the ranch is under siege right now. we must do something. i will be doing something. on his you tube page, the suspect from yesterday's shooting appears to be the wone asking questions, conducting pseudo interviews with bundy family and supporters at the militia standoff ranch site. you won't see him on camera here. he appears to be the person behind the camera doing the interviewing. >> margaret, thank you for your testimony. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> it's awesome that you are out here doing this. >> okay. >> this is family. this is where i was raised. this is where i have seen the cattle on the river. it's how it is supposed to be and not even turtle cowboy, i mean cowboy, turting cow, it is our freedom they are taking away inch by inch. >> doesn't matter what their excuse is. >> that's right. >> we need to fight. america, we need to fight. >> thank you. >> my name is brian bundy. if the state took over this land, as they should do, there are still rights attached to the individuals and those need to make sure we recognize those after we take the land back. >> thank you for your time and it was a very good interview. best of luck, brother. >> thank you. >> in addition to apparently conducting those interviews himself at the bundy ranch standoff, you can tell he is holding his ownen camera, because the camera shakes. but what appears to be the suspect from the weekend conducting those interviews, again he's the suspect in the murder of two police officers and one other person in las vegas. that suspect himself was also briefly interviewed during the standoff by local reno tv station called knrb. >> i feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around or anything like that. i really don't want violence toward them, but if they are going to come bring violence to us, if that is the language they want to speak, we'll learn it. >> that is from krnv in reno during the bundy standoff. i should tell you though the young man is wearing two different kinds of camouflage there is no evidence that he served in any military capacity other than what appears to be a fan fantasy in his own mind. this is reportedly the suspect from the shooting of the two police officers and one other person in las vegas. the t-shirt under his jacket is a campaign t-shirt for clark county sheriff candidate named gordon martinez. local candidate for sheriff claims to be a lifetime member of the oak keepers. remember that from our previous reportings that. is a many lash shah style group that set up camp at the bundy ranch. they have been around for a while on the far right fringe of conservative politics them oak keep ertz and constitutional peace officers association headed up by richard mac, frequent fox news guest and seen in this facebook photo standing with the suspect from in weekend's shootings. the oak keeper and the sheriffs group like sovereign citizens more broadly and like the ideology driving the bundy ranch standoff, they specifically do not believe in the existence or the authority of the federal government. basically, they don't believe there's any law enforcement authority higher than a county sheriff. anyone else, their authority can be not just lawfully but forcefully disobeyed. it's a radical offshoot. it was a movement closely aligned with upsurge in militias in the clinton era in the '90s. sometimes a white supremacist movement and sometimes it wasn't. this time the swastika imagery and the crimes committed yesterday may have been a symbol of white supremacist and neo-nazi views or an epithet levelled at the officers shot by the perpetrators. at this point it is necessary, but bizarre to note that in august this past august las vegas was the site of another bizarre targeting of police officers. bizarre and violent targeting of police officers. there's apparently four obscure and fringe ideological reasons. a couple moved to las vegas from indiana. though that appears to be nothing more than a coincidence. the couple was older, 42-year-old man and 67-year-old woman. they were aligned with the sovereign citizen movement and according to the criminal complaint and police report, it meant not that they didn't just acknowledge the authority of police officers, but they actively wanted to wage war on the police in order to start a sovereign citizen revolution. quoting from the ap at the time they were arrested, quote, the couple spend hundreds of hours plotting to abduct, torture and kill las vegas police officers as a way to attract attention to their anti-authority sdov earn citizens movement police said. the two attended training sessions, shopped for guns, found a vacant house and rigged it to bind captives to the cross beams during intercases. they recorded videos to explain their actions and why in their minds police officers die. in the apartment, this couple apparently three miles east of the las vegas strip. they had unwittingly brought a police informant in on their planning to about sukt, torture and interrogate police officers and were arrested in august. the two were charged separately. both pled guilty to conspiracy to commit false imprisonment. there's no indication that these two with sets of couples were connected in any way, other than both having, appearing to have anti-government, anti-police views that they link to a larger political movement. whether or not the larger political movement accepted or linked to them. is something specific going on in nevada? doesn't seem like a las vegas-specific problem but is something going on in nevada? does this on-line ideological trail of bread crumbs with this couple that apparently committed these crimes yesterday, is their on-line trail of bread crumbs happen to be the political contriteness of the criminals that would have done this regardless? might they just as easily been something else? is it our desire to find meaning here that has us imparting too much meaning to what they believed and why they said they were doing it or is a restrain on the 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