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Understand. >> judge luttig, another risk oversimplifying for the non lawyers who are watching, is it feel fair to say that the 12th amendment basically says that two things happen, the vice president opens the certificate, and the electoral votes are counted, is that straightforward? >> i would not want that to be my testimony before the congress of the united states. the language of the tournament is that sentiment. >> thank you, judge. mr., jacob i have a question for you. i believe that during your deposition before this committee, you said something to the effect of, you read every word w...

Authority if any at all. the 12th amendment, the single sentence that mr. jacob refers to, says in substance that following the transmission of the certificates through the congress of the united states, and under the electoral count act of 1887. the archivist of the united states. that the presiding officer xiao open the certificates in the presence of the congress of the

He used some language to strongly infer that the president disagreed with that tape. i don't remember with that language was. >> did he dictate the statement? >> we, he dictated most of it. typically on these, typically on these i might have a couple awarding suggestions or maybe i have a sentence or a framework or something like that. but i know with specifically on this one that it was me and him on the phone talking through it and ultimately what came out was the way that he wanted to. >> the dispute between the president and the vice president had grown to the point where the vice presiden...

12th amendment. in order to construct for the country a process for the counting of the sacred process. for the counting of the electoral votes, from the states. that's neither our original constitution, nor even the 12th amendment, had done. the irony, if you will, is that from its founding until 1887, when congress passed the electoral count act, the nation

Co-panelist he said and i believe impartial response to one of the select committee's questions. that the single sentence in the 12th amendment was he thought in artfully written. that single sentence is not in artfully written. it was pristine clear. that the president of the senate on january 6th, the incumbent vice president of the united states had little substantive constitutional