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wordsmiths but many of us shy away from the art and the best harness the power of words, poetry. but not my guest today. john cooper clarke once called the punk poet, all his life is used words, rhythm and rhyme to bind human and truth in the chaos of everyday life. thanks to the internet one of his crimes has become a worldwide viral sensation. where does his word magic come from. —— poems. john cooper clarke, welcome to hardtalk. great to have you here. ijust read your memoir in one of the first sentences as this one, all my life all i ever wanted to be was a professional poet....

Poems at that time, and ever since have had far too much human warmth to them to be seen as punk and destructive? i guess so, yeah. it is considered. but there was a general interest in the in the early days of punk, they do read like poetry if you read joe's drama and jones and matlock and johnny rotten, lyrics were very important. were you angry at that time, you are a young man trying to make it, it's difficult, you are from manchester, i wonder whether you felt? ila. are from manchester, i wonder whether you felt?— whether you felt? no, anger wasn't really my _ whether you felt? no, ange...

To go would be pretty unbearable. we've got time for one more, the guardian. after borisjohnson guardian. after boris johnson announced guardian. after borisjohnson announced plans for an end to mandatory isolation for those who test positive for covid we have this headline, treasury pushed to end free covid test despite warnings. rachel take us through with the guardian is saying here. this story in the guardian _ guardian is saying here. this story in the guardian talks _ guardian is saying here. this story in the guardian talks about - in the guardian talks about potentially that move away ...

It's not about getting out, because getting out is something i've wanted to do for a long time. >> shannon: a bit of he said, he said happening tonight as president biden and former president trump exchange accusations in the wake of those deadly attacks in kabul. let's pick it up there with tonight's political panel, kevin walling, editor of all israel news, joel rosenberg, also author of the new book "mnes and allies" about the tense relationship in the middle east and former chairman of the house oversight committee, fox news contributor jason chaffetz. thank you all for doing double duty t...

Places of employment have the right to say i'm sorry but you are not going to be able to work here. >> yeah. as i keep saying, that's a serious move right now. a lot of cities across the country now, dr. messner, are reimplementing these mask mandates. you previously led the cdc. do you think it is time for the cdc's guidance to follow suit and issue the same kind of guidance as a lot of these cities are now doing? >> well, i think the cdc guidance allows for local decision making. that's really important because public health takes place in each locality. what you want to be able to do is loo...