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Goes away. there s no need for that. you have the policy of inmate labor in the cat walks and the tunnels. there s no reason for those individuals to be used for labor purposes to save a dollar. bring in civilians, plumbers electricians let them fix the problems inside the facility and give the inmates simple jobs around the facility inside. you know new york state says they are going to rehabilitate them by giving them a job. no you are giving them access to crucial parts of the facility and security things that help them significantly. jeff dumas, great information. thanks for being on new day and thanks for your expertise. thanks so much. we will raise all these issues when we speak more about this case with new york s governor andrew cuomo. back to chris. if you think of what happened with the prison escape think to ....
That s when sweat took off, nearly making it to the woods when cook opened fire. the terrain is so dense, you can t see five feet in front of you. if sweat made the tree line he would have been gone. sweat and his deceased partner in crime, richard matt used pepper to throw off tracking dogs. we had difficulty tracking so it was effective in that respect. reporter: matt was killed in a shoot out with police. it was an extraordinary circumstance. the first escape in over 100 years, but one escape is one too many. reporter: now, chris, law enforcement saying because of where he was found two miles south of the canadian border they believe that s where he was headed. to give you perspective, he was about 16 miles away from where his partner, richard matt was shot and killed on friday. he was unarmed. ....
They re designed to take in. and he was like i can t believe how many people survived this and walked through. and something that s interesting to note we are talking a lot about speed. we haven t heard them point to that yet. but the obvious kind of suggests it. and yet that one deadly crash here on this same curve, mary they say wasn t so much about speed. it was about something called a journal box underneath one of the cars that had burned out and shorted and caused the derailment. and then it was just about locomotive momentum after that that caused it. so we have to keep some perspective on how each of these elements come into play. mary as we learn more we ll come back to you for more understanding on it. thank you for being with us this morning. again, alisyn it is just amazing to look at these pictures and realize that we were just talking to beth and so many people walked away. at current count five people have lost their lives. but that number could so easily have been so mu ....
Done before. and nobody has the record that the nfl has in terms of turning a blind eye to things they should have seen nice and clear, true? absolutely chris. and i have been as critical of the nfl and roger goodell as anybody back in september, october, whatever. yes. but i will say for the record they certainly have changed since then and they ve learned the lessons that for example u.s. soccer never learned with hope solo. there are examples there. but i think in terms of why, you know why throw the book at brady? well i think he deserves it first of all. it s to the integrity of the game as we ve talked about before. it s a buzz word. maybe that falls flat. but if you look at the media out there and if you look at every city by boston even i understand in boston the fan polls whatever those mean maybe 30% of fans are saying that brady should be punished. and that s in boston or new england, those numbers i m sure fluctuate and i m not going to base a lot on that. but the rea ....
So there won t be any she certainly won t be able to in the same day that she gets that information to supplement what she is doing in the investigation make a determination about whether or not they re going to be charges. and i certainly don t want to give people the impression that our state s attorney will have made a decision by friday. well, that was the wrong tape. we ll get to that. i m joined by pastor dante hickman of baltimore s southern baptist church. so this has been a roller coaster of emotions and reality for you, pastor losing your center and now being told you have a chance to rebuild it. absolutely chris. we are excited about what we believe by faith would take place, that as we have ssown in tears we would reap in joy. what was negative is being turned into a positive. we were already told by our developers and general ....