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Defend the president. that is from the "washington post." senate republicans, some of them, are ready to acknowledge a quid pro quo with regard to that call from ukraine, but they are insisting the president's actions were not illegal and do not rise to the level of impeachment. so let's talk about this. with us now, cnn political commentator and host of the "honestly speaking with tara" and former governor andre bower. congratulations on the new baby. >> thank you, thank you. nothing like starting at 50. >> good for you, andre. >> i'll tell you when i start. let's start here with what we're g...

Choice. the evidence is overwhelming with all due respect to my friend andre. the president of the united states absolutely engaged a quid pro quo. mick mulvaney said, yeah, that's why we held back the money. a quid pro quo is obvious in everything that's going on. it's in the transcripts. also -- andre doesn't seem to find it alarming, but lieutenant colonel vindman found it alarming enough that he went to his superiors twice to report the phone call and what was going on with ukraine and rudy giuliani and the shadow diplomacy. you had one of the white house lawyers putting phone call transcr...

>> it's unequivocal -- >> let me jump in here. andre, if this was such a perfect call and you didn't see anything wrong with it. colonel vindman testified this week -- and he's the top ukraine expert, he testified he was told by the white house lawyer john eisenberg not to discuss the president's call. then eisenberg and other national security council lawyers put it in this higher security serve. i it was such a perfect call, why was there so much energy inside the white house exerted to limit access, to keep people from talking about it, potential criminal referrals? if everything was okay, ...

>> let's talk specifically about it. most of twern world wanted the ukrainian general prosecutor viktor shokin removed because they felt he was not doing enough to investigate corruption, the european allies wanted him out. christine lagarde of the imf was so disappointed with the work he did, that she was going to hold back billions of dollars. so you're trying to change a shift what actually was happening in 2016, that what -- >> if that's -- >> tara, go ahead. >> biden's company was not -- >> hold on, hold on. >> let me answer it. >> andre, hold on. >> you put out these false conspiracy the...

Clinton, andre? really. >> we're done with this conversation. i thought this was going to be a talk about strategy from the republicans who are now acknowledging quid pro quo. we hoped to get to the polling that shows that although we've seen three weeks of revelations, that 49% just like they were three weeks ago support the removal of the president after impeachment. instead we had to go down this road of debunked conspiracies and fact-check for 4 1/2 minutes. >> be prepared. this is what trump people are going to do. >> we'll take a break. we'll be back. biopharmaceutical researchers.