>> it's unequivocal -- >> let me jump in here. andre, if this was such a perfect call and you didn't see anything wrong with it. colonel vindman testified this week -- and he's the top ukraine expert, he testified he was told by the white house lawyer john eisenberg not to discuss the president's call. then eisenberg and other national security council lawyers put it in this higher security serve. i it was such a perfect call, why was there so much energy inside the white house exerted to limit access, to keep people from talking about it, potential criminal referrals? if everything was okay, why were there so many career diplomats concerned about what the president said? >> including john bolton, but go ahead. >> andre? >> again, i don't know that they are. you can find anybody to take anything out of context you want, but i watched this -- >> what's out of context? point specifically -- andre,