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Equivalent of the grand jury part where they're doing the investigation. i think it's important for us to remember that unlike the clinton and nixon impeachment proceedings, this one has not had the benefit of a special counsel or independent counsel investigating for a long time in privacy behind closed doors. they're having to react pretty much in real time. so before they can go public, they need do the investigation in private to shape it, to figure out who are the good witnesses that have value. >> let's turn now to colonel vindman and his testifying -- he's a top ukraine expert -- that w...

>> it's unequivocal -- >> let me jump in here. andre, if this was such a perfect call and you didn't see anything wrong with it. colonel vindman testified this week -- and he's the top ukraine expert, he testified he was told by the white house lawyer john eisenberg not to discuss the president's call. then eisenberg and other national security council lawyers put it in this higher security serve. i it was such a perfect call, why was there so much energy inside the white house exerted to limit access, to keep people from talking about it, potential criminal referrals? if everything was okay, ...