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Course, do the maintaining of the full faith and credit of the united states. so i believe that what we have now just on its face, jim, is that we saved medicaid, we expanded social safety net to veterans, to individuals who are homeless. and as well, other individuals. that's something very special. we kept the student debt responsibility that we have in helping these thousands and thousands of students, millions of students. and guess what? we didn't decrease or cut. we just maintained 2023 funding for the appropriations process. there's a lot more. but i'm going to wait for the details. i d...

Behind. we are free because of them. we have an obligation then to do our duty, as we serve the american people. yes, it's right to critique and look for ways that we can make it better. what is the sad part about it is, is that you hear republicans talking about how horrible it is and how they plan to ditch it. that's -- >> but have you -- >> all the members of the democratic caucus -- >> yeah, i was going to say, have you run out of time to make it better from your perspective? >> no, i don't think so. i think that we have the ability to get into the details. i think that in order for this t...

Chooses other processes to, really in good faith, negotiate. because it is valid. you and i will disagree on whether we should have spending cuts, versus tax increases, but that is, as you say, the business of government. that is how it supposed to go. should we just be done with this debt ceiling nonsense, for once, and for all? but >> i would say our focus on spending should be during the appropriations process, the disagreement should have some reforms to use the 12 appropriations bills, so we can compromise on that right there. what if we have an encounter, ali, but as this debt ceiling th...

People on either side. that's what makes this ever extra complicated. >> in my simple opinion, as an unelected person, the thing that made this complicated is that this has been a generally speaking, automatic process. there are three times in our history when we've come close. once on the opponent administration within 72 hours of the deadline, but that you shouldn't be happening. i try to understand why we don't accept the fact that we have a budgeting process and an appropriations process, which is where the discussion on spending should come in. then we have a debt ceiling approval, which ...

Project -- for the country, right? this shouldn't even be a discussion, and frankly, it shouldn't happen now. the problem solvers caucus, we proposed to raise the debt ceiling or suspended, put it aside, and then you can have a conversation about long term that, and we should talk about that kind of fiscal policy in our country. do it as a pipe partisan commission, do it as part of the appropriations process, but the idea that you're holding things hostage, you're literally holding the country in default, holding the united states hostage, and putting in policy issues that, frankly, don't do a...