We had trump is down at so many times. and when he goes one-on-one with his fellow republicans, he always wins. i think he always wins because there is a trump voter out there that is not a republican vote. and one of the really interest que questions, and i don t know if we have any data on it, is how many people stayed home because trump wasn t on the ballot, as opposed to trump injecting himself in the campaign. the overnight narrative that trump is going to lose the party, i think eat it s way toon and premature to come to that conclusion. i agree. yes, there s been consternation, some hand wringing, some distances from trump. give that five more minutes and you will see the republican party move steadily back to trump. and that s because they have so intentionally identified themselves with him. it s not as easy as quitting trump. you have to be willing to quit all of his voters.
Mat ter of a few short weeks. we had a personal relationship, in the end, came on difficult times. reporter: as he rolls out his book, mike pence, for the first time, reveals specific quotes from then-president trump, as trump tried to persuade, cajole, and arm twist trump in january 6th. in the weeks leading up to january 6th, pence writes, he tried to convince trump he didn t have the authority to decide which electoral votes should count. trump told him, you re too honest, hundreds of thousands are going to hate your guts, people are going to think you re stupid. this is a classic trump interaction. it s all about him. he has no interest in principal. reporter: in the morning of january 6th, he got a call from the president. pence said, he reiterated, he didn t have the power to decide which votes could count. if you do that, i made a big mistake five years ago. trump always tries to
He knows it. joe, do you think that would help? democrats, we were covering the final hours, the final days of the midterm race, these races across the country, last weekend, and there was donald trump, out on the campaign trail and talking to various folks and talking more about himself than the candidates he was out there, supposedly supporting. i wonder if at the end of this, the folks look at that and said, no, i don t want the country to go in that direction? been there, done that, it didn t work out. there s no mistake that trump being out there, energizes democrats. how much did it energize republicans in turning out? the energy it provided for democrats outweighed any benefit that trump provided. i will say as a note of caution on trump, that republicans oppose him and ignore him at their own peril.