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helping the president and the executive branch chart the course of where america's human space flight program is going from here. there are a lot of us that what given a lot of advice to the president and i think in large part is speech this kennedy space center reflected that we asked to consider strong vision statement in fact we specifically said a vision of going to mars and he did that. we asked that he considered not the cancellation of the constellation program but the restructuring of it and in fact we wanted o have the capability of getting flexibility in the future and we r...

>> senator nelson. >> senator hutchison i think that is a good point. space is a very unforgiving kind of environment, and nasa has always run the programs being built by contractors, not contractors running the programs with oversight by nasa. that is a new way of doing business dr. holdren. needless to say, there are some people who question the wisdom of that, but the fact is that, if it doesn't work or if it gets extended way out, then we don't have a backup system safe for our partners, the russians. but they have a limited capability of getting stuff up and back with the size o...