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The criminal indictment weve covered in manhattan, florida, and washington, d. C. Mr. Trump continuing his unrelenting attacks against d. A. Fani will is throughout the morning, claiming that this prosecution is the latest, quote, witch hunt against him. Mr. Trump is also promising a press conference next monday morning, where he is going to release some reports that he says it will improve there was Election Fraud despite multiple court cases, saying he won the presidency fair and square. And the campaign as with previous indictments have addressed a flurry of Fundraising Emails to try to turn this latest legal woe to financial gain. Garrett haake is here, katie phang, Chuck Rosenberg, msnbc legal analyst lisa ruben and former fbi general counsel. Chuck rosenberg, power panel, and i will start with you if i can. Wh ....
buddies and allies to overturn the 2020 election. as we reported on this program at this hour yesterday, mark short, he s of course the former chief of staff to former vice president mike pence, testified before a d.c. grand jury last week. now according to new multiple reports, we also know that a second senior pence aide also testified. that would be greg jacob, pence s legal counsel. both men, of course, had a front row seat to the extraordinary pressure campaign on mike pence by trump and his allies, people like john eastman, to get pence to stop the certification of president joe biden s election victory on january 6th. wall street journal reports these stunning details about their testimony. quote, one area of interest to prosecutors was a january 4th, 2021, oval office meeting where conservative lawyer john eastman pushed pence in trump s presence to either reject the electoral votes outright or suspend the proceedings and asked several state legislatures to re-e ....
I doubt it. chuck, i also want to say, what tim said, now representing bernie caric, when he told us this past hour about rudy giuliani and sidney powell and what the lawyer told me to dork the lawyer told me to do it, let s watch. based on my representation of multiple people, and not just the president but also bernie caric, i will say that sidney powell is one of those lawyers that everything i ve seen, she was putting out theories that she didn t have any backup for, and that was actually one of the things that, you know, this indictment makes it seem like rudy giuliani and sidney powell were shoulder to shoulder. everything i ve seen is actually quite the opposite. we ve seen some of these players first of all, beginning to separate, and is the lawyer made me do it, you know, is that a risky defense, because it ....
So, does this change anything on the timing or the scope of an indictment? i don t think so. i think we re still basically on indictment watch that it could come any day this week, especially. and the documents that are being presented that came out of the giuliani team have come up in part in other places. for example, giuliani and bernie caric tried to provide the best side of the documents in the d.c. disciplinary hearings. they found that the documents showed nothing in favor of giuliani. in other words, it s not going to change jack smith s mind, it s not going to redirect him from where it looks like he s going towards this indictment. okay. so it could be inclusive of, in addition to things could be being looked at. all right. so, olivia, one thing just to be clear when you also talk about this meeting. did you get any sense from whether it be general kellogg or vice president pence afterwards as to the president s mood or tone inside that meeting? ....
Including the 64 court cases that he brought post election where he had every opportunity to prove that there was fraud. he whiffed on each and every one of those cases. it also goes to what was found, or, more accurately not found, in post-election audits, such as the one in arizona by the cyber ninjas, others that were done around the country. the full hand re-count with paper ballots, that was done in georgia. so this is an important meeting to show the flip-flop, but it will tie in with all the other allegations that donald trump made without any evidence yet coming to light. so, ryan, the other thing that paula just mentioned is this that many thousands of pages, massive amount of new documents coming in from bernie caric now, former new york police commissioner. in other words, it s not that we re finding out about, because sometimes we just found out about a meeting that could have happened a while back. this is just coming in now. ....