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courts do defer to national security. the argument, don't think about donald trump, think about presidential power writ large. >> steve? >> one of the questions here legally would be if he had never said this on the campaign trail, would this be a big court issue right now? and if -- i know this would be out of character for him, but if he were to come out and disavow it the way we just heard in those tapes and say, okay, let me make absolutely clear, i don't want to been all muslims from come into this country, that's un-american, but i do want to do this, does the legal issue disappear? >> yeah, i think that logic would certainly favor the president and if you pick other examples, if you said i want to ban certain countries, if someone came out on september 12th and said i'm banning saudi arabia and a couple other countries, that is to say, something similar to the content of this order, wovuldn't that b legal? the problem is not how he did it -- >> this is one of the countless issues where the administration has been its own worse enemy here. >> right. >> the defense is using -- i'm
>> should they be able to? i don't know. we have an incidence here where -- i think we've got to look at the age of the gentleman. >> 73 years old. talking about his reflexes. >> i know police officers are forced off the job in some departments at 62. so here's a guy that was 73 years old on the scene where he shouldn't have been and resulted in this horrible shooting. so i think the big issue here is the department itself. i've never been an opponent of politics and law enforcement blending together. i've never been an opponent of any law enforcement official being voted into office either. i think this will show you right here on example of why that's a problem. >> you're talking about the fact that this is someone who had donated a lot to that police department. >> sure. >> who was friends with the sheriff. but he says and the sheriff's department maintains that had nothing to do with it. he was helpful to the group policing where he lived and wanted to do everything that he could to help. cheryl to you, what is your
themselves of the people? because clearly when you're talking ant someone who has millions and millions of dollars like hillary clinton and a lot of the other potential candidates do you think you have to make yourself of the people to be effective? >> i think you have to make yourself access in a way that's consistent with the message you're trying to create around what you stand for. and if there are s aaspects of that that have to do with authenticity and being of the people that are going to achieve that goal then use that in how you market. hillary clearly has an issue of accessibility. that's a different issue than another kind of candidate might face in this race. marco rubio may have an issue of name awareness. you see that reflected in his logo. the issues are different for each candidate. i think aweuthenticity is frankly subjective and in the end much of what you take away of the candidate has a lot to do with how you're going to relate to
saw campaigning in 2007-2008? >> i think we should be very clear about the position that she's taking on this carried interest loophole. this is a position that she has taken in the past so i think we should be careful not to confuse it and to think, you know she's taking a very different take on a controversial issue. >> but she said it in her first week. >> right. so in that way it is definitely significant. it signals that she is taking very much a populist tone in the earliest days of her campaign. look i think the carried interest debate actually is not a risky political stance for someone like clinton to take because she has taken that before and because there actually is quite a bit of widespread consensus that this is a loophole in the tax code that does need to be fixed. you talk to tax experts and they will say that. you talk to some republicans and they will say that. >> i think it's interesting, so she brought on, and you wrote about this she brought on a new cfo, gary gensler.
not only does he support the loretta lynch vote and move forward on it but he also came up and said he was not a climate change skeptic. he wanted to understand this and was open to -- that's a big issue among conservatives. it will make it harder for him to get the nomination. if he were it would make him a stronger candidate for president, in my judgment. >> david, thank you so much. we'll talk more about this on the other side. including how does a potential white house contender rise above the rest in new hampshire and elsewhere across the country and get lasting momentum. we'll talk about that. but first, hillary clinton doesn't have any official rivals in her party, but she has her own challenge of selling herself to voters a second time around. can he turn the page on her past and effectively repackage herself for the presidency? that's next.
david just said that traditionally, former governors made more effective president. s. you have a first termer in congress with rubio. >> i'm not disagreeing with that per se but the big court issue here is when you look at rubio, is he a guy that people are still aren't that familiar with? one of the reasons governors do so well is people pay attention to them and their ideas for the first time. what rubio has been able to do is he's been able to come out as somewhat of an outside of washington unknown. a lot of people may have mentioned the name or heard the name or known there was something funny with a water bottle one time back in the day but they really didn't know him as a person. he's incredibly energetic, charismatic and the biggest issue, the biggest perk of being marco rubio is his last name is not bush. and i think that may be one of