this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, but some of the important decisions we have to make at home and around the world to energy and so much else. so there is a lot at stake. it s one of the most consequential elections we had. that s why i tried to put forth specific policies and plans. try to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is on i want to do as president. that s why i hope people will check on that for themselves. so they can see that yes, i spent 30 years, actually a little more, working to help kids and families and i want to take that experience to the white house and do that every single day. mr. trump? well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don t know if it was meant to be a compliment, but i m proud of my children. they have done a wonderful job and they have been wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say that about hillary. because of that tape. he spoke for 40 minutes and 10 seconds and hillary clinton spoke for 39 minutes and five seconds. almost exactly the same amount of time. you didn t hear a robust emotional apology. from donald trump, did you? the inbox from republicans, that s one of the things they are worried about. that s powerful for hillary clinton to use him saying such vulgar things about women and he didn t say anything aggressively to apologize. he didn t do that behavior and he was pressed by anderson cooper and he said and talks in the tape about assaulting women. he said he didn t do those and he apologized. nowhere near as aggressive as many republicans wanted. he went into the personal attacks of bringing bill clinton into it. i think it will be based on where do you stand from a partisan perspective. what donald trump is doing is getting more engaged and counter punching. throwing mike pence under the bus at a time when mike pence is standing by him is an interesting dynamic and he did say that yes, he took that giant deduction so he wouldn t pay federal income taxes. you can bet that s coming to a tv ad without a doubt. that is true. back to you. let s check in with the panel of experts. i said it was a wash, but feel free to disagree. at the beginning donald trump did the opposite of what i thought he should have done. he said he was embarrassed by this. the videotape. he said it was locker room talk. he did not apologize to the women involved and he kept saying it s words and it wasn t anything more than that. period. end of sentence. so there was nothing more than anything he already said. he had already had the press conference about bill clinton. we knew that story and when asked are you different than at the young age of 59, he said i m not proud of it and i have great respect for people, my family. hillary got him on that because she said you needed to apologize. for the rest of the debate. i think donald trump when he got over that was more disciplined, attacking hillary on the e-mail issue where she is vulnerable. i think in a sense he may have done enough. she seemed a little stilted at times and i think he may have done enough to stop the bleeding and i m not sure minds were changed. so much has occurred over the last 48 hours and the last week that people have to digest all of this including the debate tonight to see where they stand. i want to echo one thing that dana said was the mike pence remark. he is praising a dictator who was trying to interfere with our election, period. whom his running mate said we should stand up to and putin is propping up. that struck a note. here disagrees with him. i m sure you watched the debate as we all did. we commented on the issues. we are not the same policy. give it a broader look. much better counter puncher. i think he did poorly on that he was much more animated and much better counterpuncher i think that he did poorly on that question and he did poorly on the strange syria discussion where he got off on a rant there. which i think will leave a lot of questions and led to the mike pence question. the truth is hillary clinton has her struggles with the same issues she always struggles with, e-mails, speeches. i thought his counterpunch on the lincoln comment was good. at the end of the day, i come to the same conclusion. i think she probably wins at some point and i don t think it changes much. just to set the stage, this has been one of the most disastrous periods for a presidential nominee in the history of the united states. from the first debate and before this debate. did he change that at all? i think he stopped the panic among most of the republicans there who were panicking. at least for now. i thought it was basically a draw which is basically a good thing for donald trump thinking that hillary clinton was going knock him out of this debate and have such a strong performance that there would be no question of where this race stood. i don t think she had that great of a performance. he was odd pacing around and standing over here in some of those shots. i think there ll be a lot of material stylistically, for snl, she counterpunched well on the you ve been there for 30 years what have you been doing and listed all of the things she had done. children s health care, expa expanding health care. veterans and secretary of state and 400 pieces of legislation. that was a good moment for her. she dropped one of the hillary clinton new information things and the alicia machado things. with she talked about trump gobbling up illegal steel from china. to build his buildings. i bet we ll hear more about that. i believe thaefs a news week story about how two out of three buildings that are using the steel that hurts american workers. what d you think? i think the night belonged to donald trump. we re not talking about the trump tape. he was able to pivot away and barely controlled at some point. it was a greatest hits real for the 14 million who voted for him. no hand shake at the out set. bill s infidelities and the e-mail erasure and islam and dishonesty and the media, you will hear a lot about how they reported the role of the moderators in this. i think those who voted for him got everything they wanted in their vote. did he grow? i can t see if there was any outreach. i looked carefully where i thought he could have expanded the base that he already has. not a knockout, but his night on points. where could he have expanded the base? obviously there was a muslim american woman who spoke. there was an african american who wanted the country african american gentleman, james carter who wanted the country to be united would he be devoted to bring us together? where were the opportunities that he didn t take? he could have been more expansive on health care reform and rather than repeal and replace it with what and how and whom it would benefit. he could talk more about the reform he wants in the tax code aside from getting rid of interests for wealthy people. where he always falls down is that he goes on the attack without when a direct question is asked. what would you do about x, y or z, he deflects and goes on the attack that hillary has been here for 30 years and didn t do anything. the way you bring people into the tent is to tell them exactly what you would do for them. like taxes and health care, i still do not think that we got much beyond obamacare is a disaster and why didn t she fix the tax code? and by the way, i think we might have heard him admit, i m not sure about this, that he did use on the $918 million debt, that he actually used that not to pay taxes. he did say. he didn t say how long but he did say he use it. i think the trump teams thinks they are reaching out to suburban, white women and college-educated women when they talk about african-americans and hispanics, he hurts his case because of his record and the way he talks about african-americans and the way that he tends to say the african-americans and not just african-americans, which is a way of referring to folks in deeply odd. i think they are doing that but i don t think there s any success in growing that tent. the real question is, they fear he doesn t have the right temperament or command, were they assured tonight or think of him differently as a result of this performance? i agree with michael, he was speaking to the base and i think the base is probably very happy. the base is just not big enough to win the election. the demographics of the country are such i m sorry to hit this point again, george herbert walker bush and mitt romney got the same percentage of the white vote. 59%, what earned bush 136 electoral votes got mitt romney only 56. and there is the changing demographic of the country and that s why the missed opportunity was with the muslim woman and the african american man at the end. that was magnanimous. where he s doing poorly, he needs to improve significantly, has to do with college educated white voters. he s even with college educated white men. health care and their families. there was a poll out today in your home state and your home state that had him leading among college educated voters, white voters by 20 points. this is a cohert that romney carried by 14% in 2012. that s a stunning tolerance, right? they think he s a bigot. right. that s why you hear hillary clinton, all of her ads, are about donald trump and what he said and those words, whether it s about women, whether it s about the birther controversy, those things turn off college-educated white voters. he can t undo that because he spent so much time branding himself in that way as this kind of unreconstructed alpha male and the tape only underscores that. let me say one thing about the tape. we re all talking about the debate and that s going to be our focus until 1:00 in the morning. tomorrow morning we wake up in a world where the debate is over. we re not talking about it. we re talking about something else. i can t help but think the clinton campaign is going to make sure that that tape is everywhere from now until the election. it s about the image of the women from this point forward. four women and donald trump and that story s going to get told. college educated white women that we ve been talking about. can i just make one other point in which is it s very clear they don t like each other very much. it was kind of an irritating debate in that sense because they were firing these jibes back and forth. and what was missing from it was any invocation of people, humanity. we re in a town hall meeting. the only person that was raised i think hillary clinton raised an individual and just as in the last debate she raised an individual to weap weaponize that story against donald trump but the day-to-day struggle. health care, nobody mentioned anybody who was actually struggling with health care. i was surprised by that. let s go back to the tape. i want to play donald trump s response when the subject of this access hollywood tape, him talking very crudely about women, seeming to boast about grabbing women, assaulting women inappropriately. here was his response. you called what you said locker room banter. you described kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault. you bragged you sexually assaulted women. do you understand that? no, i didn t say that at all. i don t think you understood what was said. this was locker room talk. i m not proud of it. i apologized to my family. i apologize to the american people. certainly i m not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads, where you have and frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, where you have so many bad things happening, this is like medieval times. we haven t seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world, and they look and they see. can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and they see what s going on. yes, i m very embarrassed by it. i hate it. but it s locker room talk and it s one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we re going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left so because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take care of isis. so the basic response there, van, it was locker room talk but nothing compared to the horrors of isis and i m going to stop isis. i just thought that was just horrible. he rather than apologizing he minimized. and that was something that everybody here agreed he should avoid doing. and basically, if the only thing you have to say about yourself is i m not as bad as isis, i mean, that s your defense, there s something wrong with that kind of response. [ cheers and applause ] the other thing is that you cannot underestimate the history that was made in our country. a line was crossed that i don t know has been crossed in my lifetime, maybe ever. he threatened to jail his opponent. right. he threatened to jail hillary clinton if he became president of the united states. that is something i think is a new low in american democracy. but i will say something maybe provocative. i think hillary won because donald trump kind of won. in other words, the worst possible outcome for hillary clinton could have been if she knocked him out. if she had knocked him out and forced him out of the race, you could have been in a situation where the republican party could rally, get somebody else in there. it was actually a good outcome for her. she did well enough. he did well enough. he stabilized himself. and he s going to bleed out. and she s going to be able to get across the finish line. i m not sure we watched the same debate because read the transcript. donald trump issued three more apologies. he s now up to issuing five. that s enough for most of the american people. i m still waiting on the media to call on the apology for hillary clinton lying to the families of benghazi members when she told them their families were dead because of a video. i m still waiting for a call for that apology. but i think something very big happened tonight that is lost upon most of us. what we saw tonight was someone speak for the people against the washington elite. there are people in this country, 2/3 of the country thinks we re in the wrong direction. they re tired of being promised hope and change, which is what president obama promised millennialed, promised the american people and it did not materialize. and you saw donald trump flawlessly expose the double standards of justice when he said when he said if someone, an american citizen had done 1/5 of what you had done with your e-mails their lives would have been destroyed. and there was an audible boo from the audience because people know hillary clinton lied when she retorted with the fact that i didn t do anything wrong with my e-mails. the audience booed because there are two standards. the washington elite get one and we the american people get another. i think that was explosive. i think the audience had trump supporters and clinton supporters and we heard both sides. but let me go into let me play some of what you re talking about and specifically, van jones, it s the moment you that referred to where he said that were he in charge of the laws she would be in jail. i didn t think i d say this but i m going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we re going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them. or bleach them as you say. a very expensive process. so we re going to get a special prosecutor and we re going to look into it. because you know what? people have been their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you ve done. and it s a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. secretary clinton everything he just said is absolutely false but i m not surpris surprised. i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i d never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we re going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump. you can fact-check him in real-time. it s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. because you d be in jail. secretary clinton [ cheers ] so jeffrey, i heard you laughing. obviously that is a crowd pleaser for trump supporters. there s no question about that. he already has trump supporters. they already support him. is that the kind of line that exemplifies the kind of temperament that those who are undecided want to hear from him? yes. and i ll tell you why. this is about as kayleigh was saying, this is about the american people versus the political class in this country. media elites, politicians, et cetera, who as he said repeatedly there, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and they never get anything done and they lie and they dissemble. and she would in fact, if she were not hillary clinton, she would be in huge trouble with these e-mails. and she would conceivably be going to jail. i mean, other people have gone to jail for these kind of problems. so what he s doing there is hitting the broad themes, one, the division between the american people and the political class. two, her character. if you remember that famous quinnipiac poll from last year where they asked people to free-associate one-word descriptions of the candidates and for her it was dishonest and liar. you know that s kind of a bogus poll where they i mean, i think the biggest ones for trump were unflattering as well. but i take your point on the fact that she has very, very low trustworthy and honesty numbers so he was hitting this. okay, paul. the strategic context in which this debate occurs is the trump campaign in meltdown. a meltdown especially with women because of this really horrific tape where he brags about committing sexual assault. i don t think he put it to bed. you keep hearing stories that there s more tapes to come. the guy did 10 or 14 years on television and people keep saying we re going to go through these tapes. maybe they will. maybe they won t. but he certainly did nothing to put it behind him or even to inoculate against the stories to come. now, tonight s audience, i bet you a nickel, would be much more female than male. first off more voters are female than male. but tonight we re up against qupt sunday night football. packers by the way 17-9 over the giants leading right now fourth quarter. the performance he put on, first being so bizarre about this sexual assault. in one of the answers he mentioned isis, immigration, and the economy. in one of the follow-ups he rambled on about michelle obama, sidney blumenthal, debbie wasserman schultz, bernie sanders, e-mails. that doesn t assuage any women voters. and then the style throughout the debate i kept hearing from a lot of women, they didn t like that the pacing, the stalking. yeah. the really kind of creepy behavior when he wasn t speaking. toward hillary. last time it was he got in trouble for interrupting. he did a fair amount of that again. he seemed to actually pick a lot of unwise fights with martha raddatz also. less so with anderson. this is not if i m as a super pac guy, i work for the super pac that s opposing trump and is supporting hillary. i m happy about this. if i were a trump strategist i d say boss, we ve got a problem with women and you just made it worse. we re going to keep it there. everyone stay. we ve still got two hours. wolf, let me throw it back to you. anderson anderson. jake, thanks very much. we ve got an excellent moment right now to discuss something i d never heard in any of these debates before between two presidential candidates. and dana, let s talk a little about this. one candidate says not only is he going to put forward a special prosecutor to investigate his rival but, and this is very significant, he s going to put her in jail if he s elected president of the united states. that s pretty extraordinary. okay. not to sound too corny, but what makes this country different from countries with dictators in africa or stalin or hitler or any of those countries with dictators and totalitarian leaders is that when they took over they put their opponents in jail. to hear one presidential candidate say, even if it was a flip comment, which it was, you re going to be in jail to another presidential candidate on the debate stage in the united states of america, stunning. just stunning. certainly is. john king. most of his strategy on these issues was clearly designed, a, listening to his alt-right advisers. this was a breitbart strategy from the predebate and the debate. if he s bleeding across the electorate, if his goal priority one is to stop the bleeding on the right, then it may have succeeded in that. if you look at state by state, if you look at the battleground states, if you look at the demographic breakdowns in the states he is losing now heading into the last 30 days. remember, the timing of this is critical. in the last 30 days there are some people already voting. more people will start voting this week. even more will start voting after that. many in the most important battleground states. 30% of the american people last tight voted early. that will probably be a little higher this time. so the election is not on november 8th. it is now for many people in the states that matter. and if donald trump needed to shore up his conservative base, his team is very happy. he was much modern gauged than he was tonight. he was much more aggressive. he did more counterpunching. he got to some of the issues that he believes are her weaknesses but to dana s point there is that going to win you the vote of a moderate woman in the philadelphia sbushds? i think not. is it going to get you raves on zruj and breitbart and the conservative media and the other network, we all know who i m talking about, most likely. but at least he ll stop the bleeding among his own base. yes. i think that is a fair assessment that you can see in the mood and even the republicans who don t like trump. they think this is the worst possible outcome because they thought if he tanked tonight there would be pressure to get him out of the race. exactly. and now they re saying he did well enough to stay in. they don t think he can win and they think he hurts other senate and house candidates. but they think he did well enough to sustain himself without a doubt and i know that s what they think inside team trump. without a doubt they think they had a strong night. we re just hearing that eric holder apparently just said that trump s threat was like nixonian. not so much the jail threat but the threat that if he becomes president he s going to instruct his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. it s first of all, i believe it s kind of a misunderstanding of what is even allowed and the way that the process works. but even so, putting that aside, just the threat is something that is going to this is something that s going to have ripple effects in the days to come. i also think another giant question tonight, again, people view these things through their partisan prism but we know that hillary clinton has barack obama, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, joe biden, bill clinton. donald trump has mike pence. there are no other senior republicans out there. and he threw mike pence under the bus tonight. he threw his running mate under the bus tonight, who has stood by him mike pence did not defend donald trump on the specifics in the vice presidential debate. i was told that got under donald trump s skin a little bit. mike pence did stand by him this weekend. mike pence, a christian conservative whose wife i m told was horrified when she heard that tape and who talked to her husband about it, mike pence did stand by donald trump even though he did say the language is offensive. dysfunction in the campaign in the last 30 days is dangerous. he just did put out a tweet mike, pence that s what i was looking for. going ahead and endorsing congrats to my running mate @realdonaldtrump on a big debate win. proud to stand with you as we make #make america great again. brianna keilar you ve got a special guest in the spin room. i have hillary clinton s campaign chair john podesta. and i want to get your reaction to something first. donald trump called hillary clinton the devil but he also made a threat that if he were in charge of the laws of the country that he would jail her, he would imprison her. what is the campaign s reaction? well, it s one more over-the-top statement by donald trump. and fortunately, he s not in charge of the laws of the united states and never will be. but i think that maybe he was trying to appeal to his base. what we ve seen over the last few weeks and particularly over the last few days are republicans peeling off him in droves. so maybe all he s got left is his base. so to call her the devil is i think beneath a presidential candidate. it s one more reason yes he doesn t have the temperament to do the job of being president or being the commander in chief. the optics from the beginning of the debate were that we sea chelsea clinton not there to shake the hands of melania trump and her kids as we saw during the first debate. and then hillary clinton did not shake hands with donald trump at the beginning of the debate. that s a very clear signal she was trying to send. well, look, i think he came in here sort of pulling this stunt that he did at the beginning of this and was on the attack from the beginning. again, i think maybe he was just trying to stabilize his own base of voters even as that s shrinking. but i think that given what we saw, what we saw on the videotape, what we re seeing now in the howard stern tapes, his she s trying to signal something. she s trying to signal that she that his behavior is doesn t really deserve the respect of a handshake at the beginning. she did shake his hand at the end. but i think that, you know, he came in tonight and even walked back whatever bit of an apology he gave for the access hollywood tape that every american now has probably seen over and over again. i know that one of the strategies coming into this was thinking that after that tape came out there were people who were newly open to hillary clinton. but the assessment seems to be that she really just rallied the base and whether or not she has really expanded it seems that she and donald trump just rallied their base. what do you say to that? i think she came in trying to answer the specific questions. this was supposed to be i think in my mind a town hall where voters got to ask specific questions. the moderators asked a lot of the questions tonight. but the voters did get to ask questions. and i think she wanted to talk about the specific ideas, the specific plans, what she s been able to do in a bipartisan way when she was first lady, when she was senator, the children s health insurance program, the other program she talked about. but most importantly what she wanted to do to build an economy that was going to work for everyone, not just those at the top. so if n. doing that i think what she wanted to try to accomplish was to say i want to be a president for everyone and i want to have you listen to me with a positive message, an optimistic view of what america can be. in contrast i think he was dark and divisive again. john podesta with the clinton campaign. thank you so much. back to you guys. all right. thanks very much, brianna keilar. let s play a clip. this is donald trump speaking about the former president of the united states, bill clinton. i told you, that was locker room talk. i m not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country. and certainly i m not proud of it. but that was something that happened if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine are words and his was action. his was what he s done to women. there s never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that s been so abusive to women. so you can say any way you want to say it, but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women. and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off. and she s seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped. kathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. so don t tell me about words. absolutely i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who s also here tonight. and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago i think it s disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself if you want to know the truth. he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets it decide what he wants to talk about. instead of answering people s questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life and a better country, that s his choice. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. [ cheers and applause ] she got some applause for that line but i didn t hear a robust vote of confidence, a defense of her husband in that response, because he really went after bill clinton. hillary clinton didn t mention bill clinton s behavior or actions at all. she didn t defend her actions at all. she just went after more or less donald trump essentially saying you re trying to go back and we re talking about you here. a couple of points on that. donald trump clearly tried to gin up support on the r50i9d right with his base. if you talk to conservatives, especially the all the rooilt conservative media they think these issues have been ignored or forgotten. you and i covered the white house at the time. the paula jones case, kathleen willey case, monica lewinsky impeachment that dominated our lives. i had color in my hair when that started. that was several years of our lives. they think we should still be talking about this later. and trump was trying to connect hillary clinton to that. will that be a winning strategy in the general election? we ll see how it plays out. but clearly donald trump came here tonight saying when i m asked about me i m going to deflect to bill clinton. i do think it helped him rally conservatives. i also know from e-mail conversations with clinton campaign people anderson cooper said this is sexual assault. and what donald trump he said he didn t do it. he said he was just talking about it. he did say tonight which he did not say in that weekend night video-e didn t address whether or not it actually happened. he just said he was sorry. donald trump did say he never did those things. so he was bragging about sexually assaulting women. and he said no, it s locker room talk. the clinton people that s going to be in an ad probably by the time we get to the end of this week. with anderson cooper asking a direct question and donald trump saying it s locker room talk. it s not locker room talk. it is not locker room talk to whether you re fantasizing about it speculating about it or talking about it of groping people, sexually assaulting people. that s a crime. but i will just say, and probably getting similar notes from republicans, i just got one from a top republican who s very skittish about donald trump saying that he did okay acknowledging the bar this is among republicans. that the bar is pretty low right now for him to kind of bring some of them back into the fold but that in the words of this republican he moved the conversation beyond the caught on tape hot mike situation. on the flip side of that i ve been hearing from some democrats who think that hillary clinton did well but wondering why didn t she put it away, wondering what could she have done differently to after the weekend that donald trump just had to just end it. just completely end his candidacy. and that she possibly could have with this debate but didn t. but you think that s in part the result of an hour before the debate he invites these women no. to come here not only to do a little joint photo opportunity with him but then to sit in the front row you mean whether she was rattled? yeah. i mean, i don t know. i didn t get the sense that she really changed her strategy much at all. that she was going to do what she was going to do. she clearly was ready for bill clinton s name to come up in the context of these women or in any other context. and he she made the decision she wasn t going to go there. she was going to instead hit all the demographics that she thinks that donald trump has offended, whether it s the disabled or the hispanics or muslims and so forth and she was just going to pretend like the bill clinton question didn t happen. she s trying to keep what she s got. she d she s ahead right now. she s head in the moltum in the last ten days and we don t know about the weekend. we don t know how that will be processed by voters or this debate which they ll be processing at the same time. what they learned over the weekend about donald 2ru78. and now this debate. hillary clinton came saying if i protect what i have i win the election. and she was it was clear she was hoping that donald trump hurt himself with his own words and donald trump turned in a much stronger performance in terms of punching, counterpunching and getting to the issues more favorable to him. a much better job tonight than in the first debate no doubt. our exclusive cnn/orc poll results momentarily. who won this debate? in the meantime let s go back to jake. thanks so much. appreciate it, wolf. i m back with our panel. something i want to throw out to everyone here. i ll start with this side and work over. the alicia machado moment was a throwaway line at the end of the last debate and it became a huge story because of how the clinton campaign went with it and because of donald trump s reaction. one thing i m wondering if donald trump introduced at this night s debate that we just talked about over here that might become a bigger thing for the clinton campaign and i think we can agree they re much more effective at the attacks and the commercials and with surrogates, et cetera. that is with donald trump saying if he gets elected president he s going to ask his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to put hillary clinton in jail. yeah. this is the kind of thing they do in countries not like the united states, where you lock up and jail your political opponents. this feeds into something a criticism we ve heard actually more from conservative critics of donald trump than liberal critics of donald trump. can you imagine this man with his dem pramt and his drive for vengeance having instruments of government at his hands, the irs, et cetera. i wonder if that was a much bigger gaffe than we are making it out to be. i think it is. i think it s a huge gaffe. republicans talk about the imperial presidency and how barack obama has abused his executive powers. imagine somebody being asked to serve as attorney general if you knew that a president was going to direct prosecutions. i m not a lawyer. but i get that. and it is as dana was pointing out nixonian to a great degree. and i think that it is also un-american to a great degree. and i think that is something the clinton campaign can use and can use very fevtly. also to me when he said i d put her in jail. remember during the convention lock her up. lock her up, lock her up. and he kind of tried to quiet it a little at the convention because he was in presidential mode. now this was a primary campaign debate to me tonight and what he was doing was rallying the base by saying lock her up effectively, which he did also, calling her a liar multiple times and the devil. multiple times. and saying he d put her in jail. and he said she had hate in her heart. i don t think that s going to play very well with voters. i think what happened was he said i m throwing out the playbook and i m going with, as you point out, i m going with the material that s worked for me when i go out there and speak to these rallies. this line of prosecuting hillary clinton is something he s used in his rallies. this is not a new idea. he just raised it to the level of a debate point here. and my guess is it will resonate well with his base and it will antagonize the people he needs to grow who worry about the things you point out, who worry about his temperament, worry about whether he would handle the job of president in a responsible way. so you know, i think he galvanized the base again, perhaps at the expense of expanding it. it s another iteration of her argument, which is in an ad, about having him near the nuclear codes. a man you can bait with a tweet shouldn t be near the nuclear codes. and he also probably shouldn t have the instruments of the military, of the justice department. so yeah, i think that ll certainly end up in an ad. and again, it s going to turn off those moderate swing voters who want a steady person, who want somebody who is steady in terms of their temperament, in terms of their manner, in terms of their speech and approach to issues. so i think this it wasn t a plant by hillary clinton in any way. i don t think it s going to end up in an ad because this isn t the issue she doesn t want to i don t think alleged criminality those who watched it i think it was cringeworthy for a lot of folks who watched it. jake, the two of us have ties to the philly suburbs. i still live there. you have family who are there. i ve waited, we re now a month out from the election, less if you start and think that people are already voting and i ve been waiting and waiting and waiting for the pivot or the outreach to the folks who come in from our area because if we had a nickel for every time they get invoked, even on snl, we d be wealthy individuals. it s never going to happen. i mean, this is the donald trump who got this far. i think there potentially is an emperor has no clothes thing going on around him where perhaps the people who could say to him you need to pivot won t do so for whatever reason. but this is what got him thus far and this is how he s going to ride it out. and i think that he feeds on the reaction that he gets from that base which is what keeps him hitting but michael, maybe he felt like he took the advice of the people who were telling him to pivot and be more muted in the last debate and it didn t turn out well for him. could be. so he decided well, the hell with that, i m going to throw all that out and go back to the stuff i know works. and just to elaborate, it s not michael and i are biased because we re from philadelphia but it s not just the philly burbs we re talking about, we re talking about white college educated voters, the people in the i-4 corridor in the middle of florida, we re talking about the people in northern virginia, in the suburbs of denver. these are voters that mitt romney did well with, that john mccain did well with. still not well enough to win harrisburg, where thousands show up for donald trump. and donald trump is underperforming with them. and i know that this i m sure he will win every online poll. i know that the breitbart crowd ate this up. my question is did he win over any suburban households in philadelphia? sure. i think he can. and let me use the issue here that you were just talking about to illustrate. talking about jailing the opponent and how this is dictators and all this kind of stuff. there is another side to this. and on a side that independent voters, the kind of folks you were talking about are very concerned about, and that is the politicization of the department of justice where you have an attorney general, eric holder, who said in that case of the black panthers group there that were at the polls in philadelphia and they were armed and they were in uniform. he said he wasn t going to do it because these are my people. again, i m sure he s winning fox news voters. that s not my point. when you talk about he said he would some fact checker is the fact check machine is going tilt right now. you re speaking against the politicization of the justice department under the obama administration. his answer was i ll tell my attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to lock her up. that s not what he said. he said i will appoint a special prosecutor to look into it. yes. and then later in the same exchange he said if he were in charge of the government she d be in jail. as a response. i know the media doesn t get satire and humor but that was a humorous line we do. we get satire. you compare him to hitler and stalin locking people up when he said i don t think anybody mentioned hitler or stalin. but let s play it. let s play the exchange. i didn t think i d say this but i m going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we re going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say. a very expensive process. so we re going to get a special prosecutor and we re going to look into it because you know what? people have been their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you ve done. and it s a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. secretary clinton everything he just said is absolutely false but i m not surprised. oh, really? i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i d never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we re going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump, you can fact-check him in real time. it s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. because you d be in jail. secretary clinton. yeah. humor right there. you re saying he wasn t being serious? i m saying he used that line. it was humor to illustrate the point. and the point is as with the e-mails i mean, how many so he thought she was innocent of anything wrong with e-mails? how many stories have we seen, jake, in the last two weeks about destruction of computers, special privileges, the president president clinton gets on the plane i love you guys know i love jeffrey lord. i do. i m not joking. here we go. and i greatly appreciate this is a clearing of the throat. this is it. jake, you may want to get out of the way. but the idea that you are threatening to prosecute your opponent is as best i can tell unprecedented in american history. and i will say this. you don t appoint a prosecutor to investigate. you appoint a prosecutor to lay the groundwork to put somebody in jail. and here s the problem i have with the whole thing. but hold on a second. here s the problem i have with the whole thing. look, we do have a criminal justice system that is unfair, that is biased, but when people like black lives matter point this out people like yourself say they re race baiting, they re racist, and turn a deaf ear. so you can t have it both ways. you can t pretend to care about a broken criminal justice system only when donald trump is scoring political points about hillary clinton and then turn your deaf ear to the cries of actual people who are suffering. and there was a big missed opportunity tonight. when that muslim woman stepped forward, donald trump could have very easily said to her, i understand what you re going through. and he did. and he didn t. he did. let me finish. we ll get the tape. we ll get the tape. he very briefly said one thing. and then he basically gave an islamophobic answer to a question about islamophobia. why do i say that? because he said you the muslims have to report on the things that are going on. as if only the muslims have to do this. as if all of the mass shootings are done by muslims. you can say you want everyone in the country you see something say something. that s an american position. he says the muslims have a special responsibility. that s an islamophobic response. and he missed opportunity after opportunity to reach out. but don t play games with criminal justice with me. so kayleigh, let me ask you. you maintain and tell me what you think. that the first part, special prosecutor, serious, but then the other thing about because you d be in jail that was a joke. i do. and the audience laughed. so i think they clearly got the humor. but you know, to van s point about criminal justice and double standards and caring about citizens, you know who i care a lot about? petty officer christian saucier, who s sitting in a jail right now sentenced to one year in prison for taking eight photographs on a submarine to show his family and bringing back classified information home for him. christian saucier s in jail. hillary clinton did the same thing. she s out free because the fbi, to jeffrey s point, is politicized. they re friends. four of the people sitting at this table have worked in the white house. the white house must maintain an arm s length relationship from the prosecutorial power of the justice department. and it always has. except in the nixon administration where nixon did try to politicize both the fbi and the cia. it was one of the darkest moments of our history. what trump has suggested is straight out of the dictator s handbook. and it came during the same debate when he publicly broke with his running mate who dared to question vladimir putin. now, ken vogel of politico points out, but i remember this from my own work, that in ukraine a putin puppet, viktor yanukovych, did the same thing. he became president. he was a putin puppet. he locked up his predecessor, yulia tymoshenko. this guy is laying the groundwork for exactly he wants to crack down on the first amendment against journalists. in every rally he attacks journalists. now he wants to lock up his opponent just like putin s buddy. and even his running mate takes second fiddle to his pal putin hold that thought. coming up who won tonight s debate? what do voters think? we ll reveal the first results of our instant poll of debate watchers. and we ll get the first reaction from our focus group of undecided voters in the key battleground state of ohio. stay with us. yeah mom, the new kitchen s great. hey! if you want somethig to cook faster, you just double the heat right? no reason. hey mom, for laundry, the maximum load is just a suggestion right? oh that makes sense. ummm mom, how do i monitor my credit? ok. thanks mom. that was easy. sign up for credit karma s free credit monitoring today. we re here in the spin room getting reaction from all the candidates both the candidates surrogates. lots of reaction coming in. we re also standing by for the exclusive results of our cnn/orc poll of voters in ohio. we re going to get that momentarily. stand by for that. first official unofficial but poll results. scientific poll that we ve got, you re going to get those results momentarily. david chalian will be with us for that. the big question of the night, what did undecided voters think about donald trump s answer to the question about the leaked tape? pamela brown watched the debate with a group of these voters. we re about to show you what they thought. while you watch look at the bottom of your screen. if the lines go up, voters liked the answer. if the lines go down, they didn t like the answer. men s responses are in green, women in yellow. here s donald trump s response. just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. for the record you re saying you didn t do those things? you hear these things are said and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. have you ever done those things? and women have respect for me. and i will tell you no, i have not. and i will tell you that i m going to make our country safe. pamela, these voters didn t seem to like his answer. yeah, as you saw the very strong reactions from these 29 undecided voters from the ohio state university. so let s get straight to them to see what their reaction was when donald trump defended himself against that access hollywood video. what did you think, barb, when you heard what he had to say? i find it hard to believe whatever he says. he just doesn t seem to be a truthful person. reporter: and you have two sons and you had sort of a visceral reaction to what he said in defense of that video and what he was saying in that video. what did you think? well, i just feel that everyone has placed all of the accent upon young women and how we should protect them. we are equal citizens. i would hope that my sons would not talk like he did and i have tried to raise them not to act that way. reporter: it s interesting, because he reiterated in his defense that this is locker room banter, that this is just words. what do you think, larry? did that resonate with you? no. because that s not locker room talk. and for a 59-year-old man to claim that that s locker room talk i think is offensive to the young men who are out playing sports and doing the right thing. to me, it s pure and simple, sexual assault. and he should be held accountable for his thinking and actions of sexual assault. so to you that is not just locker room banter? that s not. not at 59 years old, especially. i don t know any 59-year-olds who are in locker rooms. i just want to get quickly a show of hands. who thought that donald trump did enough to put that controversy surrounding the tape behind him? raise your hand if you think he did enough tonight in defense. okay. and there were some positive reactions when hillary clinton actually spoke after donald trump defended himself against that video. let s take a listen to what she had to say during the debate. this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. that s why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message. we all should. to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good. so i want to ask you, what was it about hillary clinton s argument that resonated with you following donald trump s defense of the video? she stated that america is already great and i tend to agree with that. though we are slow in progressing in a number of areas, we are progressing and we need to continue the momentum. what about you? what did you think about hillary clinton s argument, the way that she reacted, particularly when he brought up bill clinton s past and the allegations against him? what did you think? i think that she tried to clarify that they weren t the same, that what donald trump had done was she had talked about her children and other people s children and daughters and that it just it was uncalled for and he should not have done it and didn t feel that his apology was sincere. and it s interesting because she largely sort of stayed away from going there. do you think that was a smart move? raise your hand if you think that was a smart move. and raise your hand if you think it was a smart move for donald trump to bring that up, if that was fair game. why do you think that? well, i think, you know, if everything is out on the table, then everything is fair game. is it apples to apples, absolutely not. but i don t think in these debates it just doesn t ever seem like anything s off the table. i m going to get a show of hands now. the big question, who do you think won this debate? hillary clinton. raise your hand if you think hillary clinton won tonight s debate. okay. raise your hand if you think donald trump won this debate. okay. so clearly there are some of you who thought this was a draw. raise your hand if you think tonight s debate was a draw. all right. there you go. there you have it, wolf. mixed response. coming up, we re going to talk about what they thought and who they are going to vote for, these undecided voters, if any of them cemented their vote after tonight s debate. you won t want to miss that. hillary clinton is now speaking to reporters aboard her aircraft. i want to listen in. go back and lean up against my stool but he was very present. we re going to take off. then we re going to bring you - you . [ inaudible question ]. nothing surprises me about him really, dan. i was surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods. i mean, i really find it almost unimaginable that someone can stand and just tell, you know, a falsehood after falsehood. you all remember politifact said he was the most untruthful candidate they d ever evaluated. and we sort of did the numbers. i think they said he was like 70% untruthful. and so i think he exceeded that percentage tonight. how did president clinton anyway, thank you, guys. we ll come back in a few minutes. there she is. hillary clinton going to the back of her plane to speak to reporters, making some tough statements once again against donald trump. we have the results now of our instant poll. we ve been waiting for this. david chalian, our political director. give us the results. wolf, as you know, we did a pofl debate watchers. this is not a national poll of all voters. this is a poll of debate watchers and just like we saw in the first debate and the vice presidential debate, the audience skews a little more democratic. debate watchers are a little more democratic than we would see in a national poll overall. having said that, who won the debate? according to the debate watchers we polled, hillary clinton won the debate. 57% to 34% for donald trump. that s not as big of a victory as she got in our poll in the first debate but it is a clear victory here. but talk about besting expectations. take a look at this. did donald trump best expectations, did he do better than you thought he would do? 63% of debate watchers said donald trump did better than they expected. only 21% say that he did worse and 15% say he did the same as they expected. how about hillary clinton s expectation game? take a look at these numbers. did hillary clinton do better or worse than you expected? 39% say she did better. 26% said she did worse and 34% said she did about the same. hillary clinton the winner in this poll of who won the debate. but donald trump significantly overperforming expectations. but the polls show that she did win this debate. let s get immediate reaction from kellyanne conway, the trump campaign manager who is with us. what s your reaction to that? my reaction is that i m glad that people think that 60% according to your online poll believe that hillary clinton either did worse or the same as they expected. it showed she wasn t very well prepared for tonight s debate. and that really surprises me. because if she s anything she s, you know, very wonky. she s very pedantic, lawyerly in her responses. i would have thought she d be better prepared for this debate. ail heard all week, wolf, is that the town hall format is really great for her. whereas we know it s our sweet spot because donald trump is out there every single day engaging with voters. he loves that. he s at the rallies. he s at the smaller forum round tables. he s at his own town halls. he clearly won the debate tonight why? because if you watched anybody s shows this whole weekend we ve just been left for dead, it s all over, why even show up, will there be a debate, are people jumping ship. he came here to play tonight and he came here to take the case right to hillary clinton and to show americans this race is still what it s always been. past versus future. politician versus successful businessman. washington insider versus disrupter. and he made that case very clearly. he did not back down. kellyanne, i want to ask you about what he said at the beginning of the debate. more than one time he referred once again to what he said on that tape as locker room talk. you re his campaign manager, the only woman at the head of that campaign. what did you think when you saw and you heard that? truthfully, what was your reaction? my initial reaction was very close to what melania trump said. i was offended. and i think that language is offensive and disgusting. and i m also very happy that he apologized. i m glad that he holds himself excuse me. accountable. because i look at the full measure of people, what they ve said, what they ve done, dana, and how they deal with adversity that comes to him to them. and donald trump is absolutely correct. these are words compared to actions. and he made that very clear tonight that hillary clinton blaming and shaming the women in her husband s life, that is not somebody who s standing up for women. but the term locker room talk. you had the highest-ranking woman in congress, republican woman, kathy mcmorris rogers, blowing that off and saying no, no, no, this is suggesting sexual assault and that s a very unfortunate phrase and people should stop using it. why? because i know him better. and i know better. but it s what he said. he did not say the word sexual no. it s what he implied you want to talk about sexual assault, right here in the hall i know cnn doesn t want into the view them for whatever reason. you give miss universe a big platform. but we have in the hall tonight juanita broaddrick and paula jones and kathy shelton the 12-year-old rape victim that two years before the rape shield laws were implemented in arkansas hillary clinton defending her 42-year-old rapist successfully defending him getting him a plea bargain. she was willing to blame and shame that victim as well who was 12 years old. we can talk about sexual assault but let s have a full conversation about it. this is what i know. i have to assess people based on what i see in totem. this is a man i ve been alone with many times who s never been anything but gracious and a gentleman and elevated me to the top level of his campaign the way he s elevated women in the trump organization for decades. because he respects women. let me just say that cnn at the time many, many years ago did fully litigate these two gentlemen were actually covering the clinton white house fully, talk about and report on their stories at the time. because it is very old. and i just because you brought it up i just have to say, kellyanne how she treated them. no, no. it was real time. i just have to say because you brought it up that your boss himself back in 1998 told neil cavuto about these victims. i don t necessarily agree with his victims, talking about bill clinton. his victims are terrible. he, meaning bill clinton, is the real victim himself. he put himself in that position. and he talked about how unattractive these people are. so in 1998 we re not going to talk about paula jones because it s too old but we ll talk did what i m saying is at that time he was defending bill clinton and going after these guys and now he s changed he s gotten to know them. we took note of hillary clinton s comment on the campaign trail and actually she said all sexual assault victims deserve to be heard and believed. these are her words. she s running for president now. she wants to be the president of all people. i assume except for the ones she thinks are deplorable and airredeemable which is tens of millions. but in fairness i know we want to talk about this because we certainly don t want to talk about tonight s campaign performance. when hillary clinton just on her plane lying that donald trump said falsehood after falsehood. i was watching the debate in real time. politifact, the fact checker said he was right about her wanting to have a 550% increase in sir refugees let me ask you another question about the debate. donald trump said he had not spoken to his vice presidential running mate mike pence about syria and he disagreed with him. we re 30 days from the american people voting. mike pence will be out there campaigning tomorrow. is the message to the american people at mike pence rallies don t believe what he says because not at all. they were talking about two different things. i just talked to governor pence not ten minutes ago. he says hello. he and mr. trump had also talked about what a great debate we ve had between tuesday night the vice presidential debate and tonight obviously donald trump winning here. in a vice presidential debate the conversation was about humanitarian crisis. and that s what governor pence was referring to. and mr. trump said and he said the united states might have to use force. governor pence the united states might he might have to. and donald trump said tonight i disagree with that. and i haven t spoken with him. about that particular aspect of it since the debate. that is true p they ve spoken many times this week. but let me be clear. on tv on your network today cnn s jake tapper took tim kaine to account because he couldn t answer a simple question about what hillary clinton said in the e-mails about having open borders. we know she s for open borders but the only way we know it now is because we saw it in her e-mails we did hear something extraordinary from donald trump today. he said if he s elected president he will ask the justice department to name a special prosecutor to go after hillary clinton. and then he went one step further and said he would arrest her and lock her up he would put her in jail. in all of the years, i don t remember a time in american history when one candidate has said of the other candidate if he wins the other candidate s going to jail. donald trump is channeling the frustration of a lot of americans he hears from, wolf. so many americans say i can t believe that people have been their lives have been ruined, their livelihood gone, they face jail time for doing far less than hillary clinton did hear and yet she was completely exonerated for deleting 33,000 e-mails, not turning over another 17,000. that s 50,000 right there. setting up the private server to begin with. saying that there s no classified information. fbi director comey said that s not true. i only had one device. she had many. they took a hammer to them. the story goes on and on. and it s an active investigation. in other words, just less than two weeks ago did ybut you understand the enormity of that statement. he s going to lock up his opponent if he wins. well, no, what he said is he wants to appoint a special prosecutor because he feels and he channels nearly public will here he hears all the time if we don t hear about the disasters in obama care and her failure with the russian reset and benghazi we re always hearing about the e-mails. and he is telling he told america tonight what america has told him. the frustration that there s a different set of rules for this woman as goes for e-mails. and she i you ve got to run. i m going to put up on the screen the results of our poll. you re a professional pollster. you ll see the results. these are people who actually watched the debate and millions and millions of americans watched. who won the debate? 57% said hillary clinton won the debate. 34% said donald trump won the debate. that s the results of our cnn/orc poll. kellyanne, thanks very much for joining us. i watched a different debate, but thank you. coming up we re going to have a reality check on some of the most contentious statements we heard from the candidates tonight. and we ll reveal more results from our own poll of watchers. what was their response to trump s attempts to explain his vulgar comments caught on tape? stay with us. welcome back. we re here in the spin room following this historic debate. we ve got a reality check, some fact checking with tom foreman and phil mattingly. tom foreman, first to you. what have you found out? wolf, attacks and insults have characterized this campaign for months now. and tonight as well. with hillary clinton saying donald trump has gone after women again and again. but it s not only women and it s not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.s, muslims, and so many others. that is really an enormous list of people up there. could this possibly be true? well, if you go all wait back to when he announced his candidacy, yeah, at some time or another he s either said or done something to disparage people on every one of these lists. this was actually a very easy one to check. and her claim is true. wolf? thank you, tom. phil mattingly, you ve been doing a reality check as well. yeah, that s right. it wasn t just hillary clinton that was taking some swings tonight. donald trump rolling off a litany of attacks against bill and hillary clinton. included this one. that bill clinton lost his law license. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. so here s the claim, that bill clinton lost his law license. quite simply was no longer allowed to practice law. so here are the facts. in the wake of revelations that bill clinton lied during the monica lewinsky investigation the arkansas supreme court brought a disbarment lawsuit against clinton. now, clinton agreed as part of the resolution to that lawsuit the day before leaving office to a five-year suspension of his arkansas law license as part of that plea deal to put an end to the lewinsky investigation. so where does that leave us? the verdict. it s true. on donald trump s claim that bill clinton lost his law license for five years. it s accurate. for this and all of tonight s reality checks go to cnn.com/realitycheck. wolf? cnn s coverage of the second presidential debate continues right after this. a high one. donald trump s campaign staggered after the video where the bragged he could grab a woman s genitals. then he went to attack mode and hillary clinton responded. look, it s just not true. you didn t delete them? personal e-mails. not official. we turned over 35,000. what about the other 50,000? please allow her to respond. she didn t talk while you talked. that s true. i ll try not to in this debate because i d like to get to the questions that the people have brought here tonight to talk to us about. and get off this question. okay, donald, i know you re into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. the news this morning,
doing it in the dead of night. bret: that is it for the report. fair, balanced, and unafraid. tucker is next. tucker: we have the fox news alert, a gunman is shot and leaving others shot. we begin our show with a fox national correspondent he was live on the scene in florida. we receive on lockdown from the broward county sheriff s department. going through grudges, checking every single vehicle as well as every square inch of the property that includes all four terminals as well as the tarmac s. there helicopters with spotlights tonight fighting over the runway is making sure there is nothing suspicious out there. passengers. the deck below me here at terminal 2 is where the baggage claim area is and around 1:00, that is when about 4 minutes of carnage were released when witnesses say they named it shooter suspect in this case, esteban santiago, and to baggage claim, got his luggage, and then went into the bathroom, took his gun out of the luggage out of the lockbox, which he had packed and checked in anchorage, alaska, to fly via minneapolis to fort lauderdale, they loaded the gun, and went out into the baggage claim area and started shooting people. 13 people shot, blood everywhere, five people dead, and eight people wounded and currently being treated at broward county hospitals. then it seemed like the airport was kind of starting to settle down, but then, 45 minutes later was absolute panic and terror again as there were reports of shots in the garage, fought the mecca s.w.a.t. teams running in with heavily armed. across the runways with their luggage, running as far away from airport property as possible because there were other reports that others heard gunshots and terminal 1. the sheriff says none of that was actually gunfire. there is only one shooting instance today and that was the 1:00 according to witnesses which lasted about 4 minutes, 13 people were shot, eight wounded, five brutally murdered, and of e law enforcement that responded fired no weapons. they order the government onto the ground, he surrendered, was handcuffed, and insulin custody since shortly after 1:00. at the latest on his personal background, his brother and mother to the new york daily news, he is being treated for mental health recently. law enforcement sources are telling fox news that in november of last year, so two months ago, he went into the anchorage, alaska fbi field office saying that u.s. intelligence was planting devices in his brain. it may check to mel, put him on their list, said they found no connection to terror. it was an absolute terrorizing two hours for these hundreds of thousands of travelers here today. tucker? tucker: thank you so much. what a sad story. we are joined by fox news national security correspondent who has more on the gunmen tonight. jennifer? i just got off the phone with law enforcement sources here in washington who tell me that the gunmen flied demonic flu first class. not only by the fbi, but also the army cid, that s the criminal investigative division. we know that he served and alaska and in alaska narration demonic national guard in august of 2016 pure 2016 fod serve one tour in iraq, that was from 2010-2011, february 2011. i would know that that was not a very active time in iraq. that was just before they pulled out at the end of that year. he was a combat engineer, he was separated from the national guard from the alaska national guard for performance we are told by the spokesman out in alaska. he joined the national guard, the puerto rican national guard and 2007 and that is when he deployed to iraq. his family says, has told reporters, he did suffer some mental problems after returning from iraq and what we do know and met dean our producer asked the justice department has talked to law enforcement sources who have confirmed that in november, he did go into an fbi field office in anchorage, not far from where he was livin living, and he did say that he was having, he believed the u.s. intelligent had infiltrated his mind trying to convince them to join isis and forcing him to watch isis videos as bill keating just reported. that s when fbi turned him over to law enforcement and law enforcement had him taken to be mentally checked out at a hospital and at that point, the fbi and department of homeland security opened and enter agency review, they looked into his background, they began talking to his family members, but they did not find any connection to foreign terrors overseas at that time. back to you tucker. tucker: jennifer, things a lot for that. congress confirmed president trump s by accepting his electoral votes. at that did not stop a group of democrats in congress from setting up a taxpayer the protecting our democracy act will give a full 18 months to look into the matter. congressman, thank you so much for coming on. thank you for having me back. tucker: we talked to you last month and you made it case for this commission and your point was look, there s a lot we don t know. there is a lot we do know with the delivery of this report. why do we need your commission? the public report that the white house put out made clearer than ever that russia attacked our democracy. it was ordered by vladimir putin and they intend, and other countries likely, want to attack again. we joined this effort to say let s find an infant dependent way to find out why this happened, why are we so vulnerable, and let s make sure we don t let this happen again. tucker: the report said that the russians planned to harm hillary clinton. and the russians were gathering information to use against her should she win. i assume use except that findin finding, shouldn t we find how they penetrated her server, which seems to be the least protected piece of electronic in the united states, that was not mentioned in the report. i haven t heard any democrats mention that, if you get this panel, should she be subpoenaed on that question? is a bipartisan effort. republicans and democrats want to get the bottom of the truth. this is about making sure our elections belong to us. the committee should have a wide scope and looking at what russia did to try and undermined our election. i m not going to prejudge the results. tucker: two points. you say replicants have signed on to this? i continue to reach out to republicans. the commission would be a bipartisan appointed. it would be republican and democrat appointed. i still believe that republicans accept that we were hacked. john mccain held a hearing yesterday accepting that. i would like to take this out of congress, have members fully devote themselves to finding out once and for what happened because after all, the president-elect doesn t even accept that russia attacked our elections. this gun can i you there? there s something very disingenuous about you continuing to say you want to take this out of the political world. with a russian friendly president taking office january, it s important to make we are strong. that is suggesting that he is pro-russian. obama was president. you are very busy. if you tucker: it s not honest of you to say they re not partisan. it s apparent in what you say. it s apparent and what donald trump says that he admires vladimir putin. tucker: what does that have to do with any of this? sure, he says nice things about put in. i m not here to defend it. i don t like putin personally. what is i have to with the penetration of john podesta s server? do you think that trumpet was somehow involved in that question mike what is russia have to do with this story? we are less safe as a country because we have a president-elect to visit if you have something ticking out of congress and have experts look at that, hopefully once and for all, we can sign off on what happened and move on. tucker: you said the purposes of this was to restore faith and our electoral system and americans are nervous about what s on the level and you want to reassure them that it is. if that s true, why have you suggested that our voting machines were hacked, and you said it right here on december 7th, you said hacking included scanning in arizona, illinois, and florida . do you know that they had any effect on our voting? tucker, he should be the part that came out today. no tallies were changed. three election systems were hacked. that should concern us, but they intended to go into election systems. i don t want to relitigate their it is a gmac results in order for us to be a safer country and secure our democracy, we need to know what happened and assure people in a bipartisan way that it will not happen again. tucker: you can see that barack obama was president when this happened, right? it was president obama who tucker: soon it going sort or maybe they got that from the russian spy masters who are controlling them if they got that from russia, they should disavow them now. tucker: it fair enough. it congressman, good to see you. you too, thank you tucker. tucker: donald trump was given a 90 minute intelligence briefing today. they were saying the country had no effect on this countries outcome . we are joined by our expert on that, katherine harris. okay, so it s my five pages, is unclassified and i don t think i ve ever read a document that s more strongly worded and very definite about its findings. the findings are this was ordered by vladimir putin, the goal is to damage hillary clinton, it was to reduce the likelihood she would be elected and over time, they developed a preference for donald trump. they also say that their job is not to measure the impact on public opinion. that s something they can t measure. certainly the propaganda was a campaign on a level they had a not seen before. you really have to take a document at face value and you have to take a lot of faith in the underlying data. if you re looking at this for a review of evidence, there is no evidence here because of exposing sources and exposing methods. tucker: it isn t usual for a document like this to make claims this concrete about a leaders motives? this is a great question because i was really taken aback by his high confidence on so many other of the conclusions. high confidence is likening an a or an a- on on high school paper. it means there are high quality intelligence and multiple data points if they put together. i ve never really seen a this fake news operation had exposed 200 people to russian propaganda, a huge story that went everywhere. as it turned out, it was based on a list compiled by a secret group, a new group, that was accomplished only by putting huge sites, mainstream sites and various clinton critical sites on the left, labeling russian propaganda outlets. that story clapped after two weeks. there s a huge editor s note at the top of the story. the editor announced or nonstad it on twitter. twitter. when the story collapsed and had to discount their own source, he said nothing, the paper said nothing. the story went everywhere, the retraction was heard by a tiny fraction of the people. we see this over and over throughout the last year when it comes to russian reports. tucker: interesting. we ve also seen anybody who raises questions about it denounced as a tool of the kremlin. just be clear for our viewers, i these are really furious charges, we should see evidence of that. tucker: exactly. that s my perspective precisely. thanks a lot for joining us. great to be with you, talker. it s the oncoming outcome of the republican party is hoping to repeal obamacare as it soon as president trump is sworn in. that s what they told you, but it might not happen thanks in part to senator rand paul who is also an opponent of obamacare. he joins us and asked to expend what exactly is going on. a high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source. aleve direct therapy. no one is offended by obamacare more than myself. i ve seen it up close, i ve seen it firsthand, i ll do anything to get rid of it. however, i don t want to have to vote for a budget that never balances and a budget that adds $9.7 trillion in debt in order to get to it. what i told my colleagues is, why don t we introduce a good budget? when the balances and then repeal obamacare? the rules and congress are you can t repeal it until you pass a budget. but what is and be a bad budget? we are not getting any democrats to vote for the budget. this is in a compromise with democrats. were going to vote for a budget. this is a republican product, why should it not be a vision of conservative budget, a fiscal conservatism russian mark why is it a budget that adds so much debt? tucker: that s a good question. you also said it could eventually lead for a tax to insurance companies. you wrote that. i understand that reasoning too. republicans promised that if there ever to achieve power, both chambers and to the presidency, to repeal obamacare right away. why haven t they thought this through? [laughs] good point. we should vote for replacement on the same day as a repeal. we should expand health savings accounts so people can save to buy insurance. we should let them buy anything. we should let them pay for their insurance premiums and their health savings account, we should be able to pay for a diet plan, you should be able to pay for a an exercise plan, you scribble to pay for vitamins. you should be able to pay for a vast variety. tucker: why haven t they come up with an alternative? the speaker of the house said we are going to have her placement pen within a year yesterday. really? we ve been waiting for six years. do not have a replacement plan in order? why haven t they done that? i don t know. i m putting forth a plan. i m putting a replacement plan together and it will be next week. i will replace replacement plan. it will be expanding hsa s, going across state lines, buying any kind of insurance and insurance companies want to sell, and will also involve something very important with sludge be expanding corporations you should be allowed to associate. if we do those things, the cost of insurance comes down, and get rid of the pre-existing spewing republicans haven t told the entire congress for a while. you just got elected to her second term, you re hardly the most senior guy in the senate. why haven t they agreed on a replacement plan until now? here s the thing. there are 50 plate replacement bills out there. i met with congress when tom price who s been appointed to the cabinet, i m supportive of him, i m supportive of many of his ideas. many of the ideas which are in bill form are his. you have all these bills, put together a replacement bill and vote on the monday one, but if you don t, the secondly repeal it, we re going to be rude blamed for all the unraveling of obamacare. and mark my words, it s going to unravel and unravel even quicker and we are going to be blamed for the bankruptcy of the insurance companies that may come as a result. skin on my obvious question is, don t you think promises like this made by republican candidates seeking office that they knew they could never really make good on as part of the reason republicans voted for trump in the first place? we didn t believe any republicans who were already in office. we could repeal obamacare and we could vote for replacement the same day. next week i will reap release . i can guarantee it will be accepted, i m telling everybody in my caucus and i m trying to tell everybody, we need to have replacement the same day we repeal obamacare. tucker: good luck. senator rand paul, good to see you. thank you. thank you. tucker: up next, temperatures are deftly rising on campus. a meteorologist says she s quitting her job because you can t take the pc atmosphere anymore. she joins us next. nutrition made with only 9 ingredients, plus 25 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. and look where life can take you! boost®. be up for it.™ myrbetriq may cause serious allergic reactions. if you experience swelling of the face, lips, throat or tongue or difficulty breathing, stop taking myrbetriq and tell your doctor right away. myrbetriq may affect or be affected by other medications. before taking myrbetriq tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems. common side effects include increased blood pressure common cold symptoms, urinary tractinfection, constipation, diarrhea, dizziness and headache. it s time for you to make the calls, so call your doctor to see if myrbetriq may be right for you. visit myrbetriq.com to learn more. tucker: and climate scientists at georgia tech is quitting because she can t take it anymore. she doesn t deny the climate is changing, but she says the university has come so politicized on the topic, she can no longer handle what she calls the craziness of it all. thank you for coming on tonight. it s a pleasure. tucker: is a pleasure for me. you ve said that research money only goes to researchers pursuing only use lines of inquiry and they re all the same and that prevents good science from happening. my understanding correctly? not really, but what you re seeing is this dominant theme of human cause climate change which is where all of the research and focuses being directed and it s going to understanding. gun is not the key debate, not whether temperatures are changing, because they have, but why. it s been warming for several hundred years. the question is how much of the recent warming say for the last 50 years is caused by humans. my interpretation of the evidence is that we really can t tell and i don t see a clearer signal that is caused by humans predominantly. tucker: for your position, you said we really can t tell. you re sort of open-minded it sounds like. if you believe you are penalized for that view? i ve been vilified by some of my colleagues who are activists and don t like anybody challenging their big story. i walk around with knives sticking out of my back. in the university environment if alec is beating my head against the wall and not being effective tucker: people disagree and have strong ideologies. that s the opposite of what i understood science to be is that you are led by inquiry and evidence to conclusions. university should be places of research, freedom of investigation, honest and open debate, diverse perspectives et cetera. in certain fields that are politically relevant, you re definitely not seeing that. tucker: this is one that has relevance for all of us. the research you re doing, or your colleagues as activists are doing, will affect everyone on the planet. this takes really high, no? the stakes are really high. i think i could have more of an impact outside of the universit university. in the private sector, sort of free market, academic freedom. tucker: it let me ask you this, when you hear people that ask the question that you just asked, to what extent is climate change being driven by human activity? people who ask that are derided as climate deniers. what is your response to that? my response is that really don t know. humans are contributing something, we don t know how much. from the evidence that i ve seen, i don t think that it s the dominant cause. tucker: your not listing tv. because 90% of science is globalists really believe one thing. you must be in the 2%, right? ironically, the way the question is framed by the consensus is that yes, it s warming, yes, humans contribute to it. everyone agrees with that, i m in the 90%. it s when you get down to the details that there is genuine disagreements that is really glossed over in the media. tucker: we need to do them multiview show on this. i hope you ll come back for that. thank you for joining us. thank you. tucker: straightahead, will donald trump s affection for political rivals provide the chill and their relations? that is a head next. bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more life per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper tucker: here s a something new. a local news report about amazon s spend happy voice assistant, alexa, has sparked a bigger shopping spree. alexa confused a 6-year-olds chatter for an actual order. one san diego news station said that their echo devices tried it to order dollhouses. apparently they really were listening to television. the new world has no choice but to obey alexa if she wants you to buy products on amazon. time now for the friend zone. we have one of our friends from fox here on the show. tonight we are joined by someone we literally could not like more, janice dean, cohost of fox and friends. fox and friends, who wrote that? tucker: we just upgraded you. i have a couple questions for you, i have to start with the weather. what is going on? that s what everybody is talking about. we have cold temperatures that has sunk as far south as the gulf coast. we have a raging snowstorm that is happening across the south. we re talking about minus 20 s, minus 30s, single digits, teens across the south. the stage is set paired we ve got cold air in place and a storm system coming out of the gulf, tucker, that is bringing snow and ice to areas that don t typically see wintry weather. people are freaked out, rightfully so, a couple of years in atlanta, georgia, we have people on the highways for days that couldn t move. they have taken precautions there. they know they have a big storm on the way. the west, on the way, also getting pounded by rain and snow in the next couple of days. really the most they ve seen in years it could put a dent in the drought. a good thing, but too much of a good thing could bring flash flooding. this is a big deal it s happening across the south as we speak. ice and snow and areas like louisiana, mississippi, the carolinas. in some cases, tucker, we could see more of the snow and the carolinas that we have seen in new york city all season. this is a big deal and people are taken precautions. the good thing is it s happening on a weekend. it s happening when people don t have to go to work, they have told go anywhere with their kids. tucker: at one of those years where anything can happen. we sent our until our reporters return with their forensic background report they did on you, i didn t know that you were a comedian professionally at one point. noel, noel, noel. i was never a comedian. they have these things in new york city. you have thetape? is it the comic strip here and new york city, i won first prize, tucker can you believe i it? tucker: you re such a modest person. how did you prepare for this? how did you go from being on tv to being a winner of a stand-up comedy competition? i have always loved comedians and what they do i just wanted to give it a shot. i just want to make people laugh. on fox & friends, loved to make the audience laugh as well. this is a big challenge. i will say it s one of the most rewarding things i have done, because i was so nervous about this and to stand up there and just be raw and just try to make you laugh, i will say, it really was the most challenging thing. what i did, was i took my experience. i talked what i do with the weather person. when i was pregnant, i got an email that said janice dean when you having that baby because you re blocking mississippi and i need to see my hometown! i had some fun with coworkers as well. i think you have a clip of that. tucker: here we go. i ve been doing this for a long time, been doing this for ten years. speaking of being on television, the hair and makeup and things, it takes a lot. it takes a village. you ve got to get the hair tease, the hair color, the highlights, the spray tan, the botox, the makeup, the jewelry, and that s just eric bolling. [laughter] tucker: i ve seen him and end out of makeup. it s a tossup between geraldo and eric bolling. please know i kid because i lov love. it was a challenging thing and it to make people laugh, i understand the rush performers get, comedians get. working with comedians, they ll say one night you have a great routine and the next night you do the same routine and you won t get any laughs. hats off to people who do that. i don t think i ll be doing it again, but i m glad i have the trophy in my office. tucker: i wish i d been there. janice dean, peeling back layers of the onion. it gets sweeter as you get closer to the core. by the way, congratulations to 9:00. i m so proud of you. tucker: i hope you re up late enough to be on. all right, i m next, we got an update on the fort lauderdale airport shooting. we value information on that, details coming up. stay tuned quit smoking. but when we brought our daughter home, that was it. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it s the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how. dear freshpet, zooka had digestive problems and wouldn t eat. then i fed him freshpet. travelers. the airport when i m locked down around 2:00 p.m., after a second shooting which ended up not to be related. or was not an additional shooting. the fort lauderdale hollywood airport. disunited jet behind me, just pulled up, this is one of several large bodied aircraft that had landed here at the airport when suddenly, it was put on security lockdown. they could not get to a jetway. nobody was allowed to leave the airport property, nobody was allowed to gain access to the airport property, this was all around 2:00 in the afternoon, so presumably, there are a lot of people on that plane club and stuck out on the tarmac for the past six hours because they couldn t get to a jetway to debark the plane. here comes another one of these planes full of passengers. you know their miserable. at the people inside the terminals are now finally being allowed to leave the airport now that for the most part, the airport has been checked square inch after square inch for any further threat that did not materialize. hundreds and hundreds of people are now leaving terminals one, three, and four. if you have a car in the garage is, you re allowed to go get your car and drive off the property. a lot of the people are returning from cruises, the plane got canceled, they re not being allowed to leave the airport, they re sending people to the port of everglades or you can on cruise ships. they can at least get some food and figure out where they re going to stay for tonight and rebook their travel plans and return home. absolutely a miserable day, but not nearly as horrible as the families of these 13 shooting victims. back to you, tucker. tucker: thanks, bill for the update. coming up next, yet he has decided to build a big fat wall anyway. it s not next to the border, it s in d.c. there not sending their best. details ahead [vo] quickbooks introduces jeanette. and her new business: i do, to go. jeanette was excellent at marrying people. but had trouble getting paid. not a good time, jeanette. even worse. now i m uncomfortable. but here s the good news, jeanette got quickbooks. send that invoice, jeanette. looks like they viewed it. and, ta-da! 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could afford to ease up a little bit, right? and they might have done that if the fund-raiser were just for them but they re not just running clinton for president and kaine for vice president. they don t want to just win the white house. they want democrats to win governorships and control of congress or to get as close as they can. they obviously want democrats to get control of the senate. for the clinton/kaine campaign, it is pedal to the metal from now till the end. 41 fund-raisers from now until november 3rd. he had five today alone. he squeezed me in between them. that s on the democratic side. on the republican side, it s nothing like that at all. mateo gold at the washington post reports tonight that the comparable fund-raiser effort on the republican side is already over. in fact, it ended last wednesday. the washington post reports tonight that donald trump did his last big dollar joint fund-raiser for his campaign in the republican national committee last wednesday and he s not going to do any more. there are no further events planned. quote, we have kind of wound down. from here on out, quote, there is virtually nothing planned. it s hard for me to overstate how strange that is two weeks ahead of the election. the republican nominee is on track to lose the presidential election largely because of the magnitude of his expected loss, republicans are also on track to lose control of the united states senate. election forecasts right now for the senate project a 2-1 chance that democrats will take control of that body. but the reaction of the republican nominee, the reaction of the whole republican presidential campaign is basically to sign off two weeks out. here s tim kaine doing five fund-raisers today. republican presidential nominee donald trump stopped doing fund-raisers for the political party on wednesday. hess saying to the party i m losing this part of the race, you look like you re losing your part, too. you re on your own. lots oluck. this is a remarkable tactical decision. is this a decision or did they just peter out? the trump campaign at this point is like a stage actor who shows is up for the curtain call. just shows up for the applause and wants to be told he did a good job, but he didn t actually participate in the performance let alone do all the preparation work that goes into doing a good job at that performance. what s that campaign now? their candidate is going to places where he gets applause, he definitely still does rallies and stuff. he appears to enjoy that. but what are the rallies for at this point? remarkable piece of reporting from the top political reporter at the arizona republic tonight who is describing what s going on in the key state of arizona. he says the clinton/kaine campaign has 32 fully operational political offices in arizona, 161 staffers working full time to win arizona for clinton and the democrats. what s that competing with on the republican side? donald trump doing rallies. but what are those rallies for other than giving donald trump the experience of people voting for him according to david nowicki, the trump campaign has been passing around sign up tallies. but they don t bother to collect the sheets. they leave them there, nobody picks them up, let alone do anything with them. next door in nevada which is to be a swing state although it s turning increasingly blue. 10,000 bumper stickers, and i don t even get a call back. that s a swing county in a swing state. republican party chairman there saying two weeks out from the election he had the phone number memorized. we bleeped it there so you don t all call it. but he s got the phone number memorized. he calls the trump campaign every day begging for yard signs and bumper stickers and didn t even get a callback. what are they doing that s more important than trying to compete in swing counties in swing states with county chairman that need specific help? what s the trump campaign coulding if they re not doing that? what is the trump campaign, is it just a traveling road show for donald trump to appear at events in front of crows that like him because that makes him feel good. whatever the trump campaign is now and whatever they re planning on doing for the last two weeks, it is unusual. the washington post again reported tonight that trump campaign has effectively cut off the republican party and stopped even trying to help other down-ballot republicans save themselves. and politico.com was the first to report tonight that the republican party in response is hitting the panic button. the panic button is apparently labeled dark money and they punched it big time tonight. according to politico.com this evening mitch mcconnell s senate super pac in conjunction with karl rove remember him mitch mcconnell and karl rove have somehow instantly conjured out of the dark money wilderness a whopping pile of $25 million million which they just announced tonight they ll start shoveling into six contested senate races. they re announcing that tonight. the fastest they can start spending that money is tomorrow. that means they ve got $25 million to spend on senate races over 13 days. if they also spend on election day itself. that is a phenomenal last-minute money dump. and who knows where that money came from? incredibly while they ve decided to do that through the mitch mcconnell super pac, the nominee decided he ll coast to the finish. no more republican party fund-raisers, helping nobody, where can i go to find somebody to tell me that they love me. he does remain on the top of the ticket. he continues to be the republican party s problem and he continues to be the presidential nominee of a major political party. as such he continues to be subject to scrutiny, subject to the kind of full body mri, the kind of full body background check that the national media does on everybody who runs for president. and we have something new to report tonight. the ongoing reporting on donald trump s background tonight has turned up something new and something dramatic and something very, very, very inflammatory that we have got here exclusively next. available. one crucial part of the investigation in that case was an equally qualified white new yorkers would show up at the trump company and they would inquire about those same apartments, magically, the suit alleged the apartment would be back on the market and available for the white applicant even though the black applicant had just been told that that apartment was gone. that doj lawsuit against the trump company was ultimately settled when the trump company signed on the a consent decree where they would desegregate their properties, start renting to black people. that s one of the allegations against the trump corporation for racial discrimination, over the course of this presidential campaign it has become a hot point of contention. hillary clinton raised it in first presidential debate. trump said that the consent agreement reflected no admission of wrongdoing, then after he used that as a rebuttal, newspapers and news outlets have looked into those allegations to the way that suit was settled to the other suits that were brought against trump real estate properties. today alone the las vegas sun published an account from a woman who now lives in nevada who says she was one of the white people who was sent in as a tester at trump properties after a black applicant would allegedly be told that an apartment was not available, she d show up as a white applicant with basically the same qualifications and she d be offered the apartment. that story today in the las vegas sun. the woman recounting her own experience in being involved in the lawsuits. mother jones had another story tonight on additional discrimination lawsuits brought against the trump organization not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s. i can now tell you that nbc news has been working on a report on the way the trump company allegedly discriminated against black people in rental housing. in the course of the investigation they ve turned up what we have exclusively tonight, a troubling eyewitness account from a man who worked as a rental agent at a trump property. he says it was basically his job to do the discriminating. he says he was instructed directly to slow walk or outright reject potential tenants if they were black because they were black. but listen to this. listen to what he told nbc news when he was asked exactly how that instruction came to him and who was in the room while it happened. just take me back into that room. so you were sitting in the room and he was there. describe the scene to me. a black lady completed an application for an apartment in the building, a one-bedroom apartment, as i recall. and it was a very professionally application, it was checked and verified, there were no liens, no judgments against her. and she was calling me on a daily basis wanting to know the status of her application. one day mr. trump and his son donald came into the office, and i asked fred trump what i should do with this application because she s calling me constantly. and his response to me was you know i don t rent to the n-word. put the application in the deck and forget about it. so fred trump used the n-word antold you we don t rent to people like that. that is correct, yes. what was your response? i was employed by them. i did what he said. so this is the raw tape of an nbc producer in that diner right, noisy diner, interviewing this rental agent who worked at a trump property and in the course of explaining basically how he says racial discrimination worked at the trump organization back in the day when they were deciding who to rent to, he just mentions that young donald trump was standing there alongside his father when he says, the father instructed this rental agent not to rent to anybody who was black and he says, when donald trump s father explained that his policy was not to rent to anybody who was black, what he actually used was the n-word to explain that policy while donald trump stood right next to him. obviously, given that donald trump is now running for president, that s a very inflammatory allegation. the producer goes back to the rental agent to clarify that this is exactly what he s talking about. do we mean you to say that donald trump, the man running for president, was there when that happened, when that language was used? he said put it in the drawer, forget about it. you know i do not rent to the n-word people. and that s what i did. and donald trump was right there? donald trump was right alongside his father when i was instructed to do that, yes. so this is obviously a very explosive allegation about donald trump and his time working with his father at the trump organization in the 1960s when he would have been a very young man, also in the 1970s. just to be 100%, 1,000% totally clear, the producer goes back to the rental agent, asked him again, are you sure that donald trump witnessed his father explain this was discriminatory policy, would not rent to black people but used the n-word to explain that. are you sure. when his father told you not to rent apartments to people of color, what was donald s response? and he shook his head, that s the way it s supposed to be. agreeing with his father. again, this is exclusive content. this has never been broadcast before. this is material obtained by nbc news just over the course of reporting this story within the last few weeks. what this rental agent says is a very specific, explosive allegation against donald trump personally, in terms of what he witnessed and went along with and signaled his ascent to as a young man working in his father s organization. now, the trump campaign has responded to that specific allegations tonight. they gave us this response on the record. quote, that is total nonsense. that s their formal response from the campaign to these allegations. but i want to show you also so you understand where that reporting came from, here is how nbc news is contextualizing this allegation. here s how they re folding it into their overall story about discrimination by the trump organization at the very start of donald trump s real estate career. it was 1963 in new york city and maxine brown was looking for a place to live in queens. she applied for an apartment owned by donald trump s father. they asked what kind of job i had and they were surprised to hear i was a nurse. but she wasn t welcome. i was turned because because of my color. stanley leibovitz was the agent that took maxine s application. fred trump came into my office with his son donald at his side. i asked him what should i do with the application of miss brown. he told me take the application and put it in the desk drawer as he does not rent to people of color utilizing the n-word and donald trump shook his head agreeing with his father. by 1967 state investigators found that out of some 3700 apartments in trump village only seven were occupied by african-american families. by 1973 donald trump was the president of trump management. and she was a teacher looking for a place to live. she went to a difficult trump building also in betweens. i was black. i don t think it looked good in their estimation to have black people living in their facility. she says there is no doubt in her mind that donald trump continued the practices of his father. dependent of justice alleged an employee was told to write applications from african-americans with the letter c for coloreds. he said there were no apartments, that was not true. she wouldn t have spoken up had donald trump not brushed off the company s bad behavior. it s important that history not be erased. donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination. annette was part of that lawsuit. we, along with many, many other companies throughout the country, there s a federal lawsuit, were sued. we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was very easy to do. court records show it actually wasn t so easy to do. three years after the settlement, the department of justice went back to court saying trump was not complying with the settlement agreement. four years after that, the trump organization was again taken to court and the class action lawsuit alleging a pattern of discrimination. some 20 years after maxine brown was turned away. the trump organization and several other landlords settled the class action in 1984. sheila norris was one of the white testers sent in to a trump building the day after a black applicant was told no apartments were available. when i got there, oh, the superintendent greeted me with open arms. oh, yes, come, i ll show you the apartment. morse was offered a two-bedroom apartment. annette has kept her documentation from that complaint all those years ago although she says she hasn t looked at it in years. it feels like the time has come to tell the story. when donald trump says that, you know, they did not admit guilt, that may be true, but the fact that there was guilt had to come out. reporting by nbc news investigative reporter cynthia mcfadden. the trump campaign has made a formal response to nbc news on this story. hope hicks says, quote, there s absolutely no merit to the allegations. the suit was brought as a part of a nationwide inquiry against a number of companies and the matter was ultimately settled without any finding of and without any admission of wrongdoing whatsoever. it is not true this lawsuit was brought against a ton of companies nationwide. the first one in particular was specific to the trump organization, but they re sticking with that response anyway. now, in response to the very specific allegation by stanley leibovitz, that rental agent who worked with the trump organization at the time and who says explosively that donald trump stood alongside his father and nodded approvingly when his father used the n-word to describe who they do not rent to, the campaign tells us that that is, quote, nonsense. they re not offering a substantive rebuttal against the allegation. they re just giving us that response. nonsense. we re 14 days out. vice presidential candidate tim kaine is here tonight for the interview. my interview with tim kaine is next. mr. mysteriouso. the cryptic spy versus spy version of tim kaine. what did this mean? i don t think there s any doubt about is she going to be up on the substance. she is up on the substance. but the demean matters as well. have you spoken to her about the debate. we have chatted about it. i say chat generally because i m trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate. but we ve done it a couple of times. she s are excited about it. i m trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate? what does that mean? tonight he explains. and it turns out it s exactly as spy versus spy mr. mysteriouso as you might thing it is. joining us for the interview, i m very pleased to say, is the democratic nominee for vice president, virginia senator tim kaine. senator kaine, thank you so much for being here. we ve never met in person. i ve been on with you on remote, but glad to be on set. the last time you were with me on remote you were saying there was absolutely no chance that you would be chosen for vice president. i had been through it eight years before and never thought it would be me. i had the same intuition this time but not intuition is correct. i m thrilled to be on the ticket with hillary. you have been a missionary in honduras, a city rights attorney, a governor, a senator, have you ever had a female boss? that s a great question. when i was a practicing lawyer, i had cases where the main lawyer was a woman. but that s it. i served as two mayors on city council, they were both men. when i was lieutenant governor, my governor was a man. when i was dnc chair i essentially reported to the president. this would be the first time i had a female boss. i hadn t thought of it that way. i wonder if it gives you any if it gives you any means of reflecting on not just the historic nature of potential first woman president but some people s shpilkes about that, whether or not people are able to voice it as a criticism that it s an unusual thing. it is. but i love it. i m a civil rights lawyer. i love breaking barriers down and doing new things. our nation does it best when we re doing that. when hillary asked me to serve as her running mate, i just thought of all the strong women who helped me be the i ve won eight elections. i ve had women campaign managers and campaign secretaries and donors and volunteers and voters and i ve been able to be the one with my name on the bumper sticker and yard sign. when she asked me, i get to now play a supportive role. that s what the vice president s main job is to a woman who will make history, to the president who will preside over the celebration of the centennial of women getting the right to vote. the next president will preside over that. as much as you normalize by a woman president, a woman can be anything, my job will maybe that strong men should support strong women in whatever capacity. in terms of your relationship with hillary clinton, obviously you knew her before she asked you to be on the ticket. yeah. you made this cryptic comment where you said i won t comment on the exact means by which we communicate. i was thinking we re training some carrier pigeons so they can t be hacked. do you have to think about that, the ways that you communicate? we do. and we re spreading the zone, i m here, you re this, we cover more ground, but we do communicate a lot and by different means. we knew each other, but we don t know each other as really good friends. i didn t have that kind of relationship with her. in the last two weeks before i was named to the ticket, they thought maybe we should get to know each other. but it s been great. we re both midwesterners, we grew up in republican small business families. a church was a part of who we were. i get the milieu from which she came and it s similar to mine. you mentioned bill clinton and you mentioned strong men supporting strong women. have you given any thought, have you part of any planning in terms of what it s going to be like to have a former president in the white house barack obama is staying in d.c. when he s no longer president. bill clinton will presumably be in d.c. as the president s spouse if you and hillary clinton win. and then there s hillary clinton who will be the president. what sort of thinking or planning is going into dealing we re both superstitious. but we talk about this a little bit. we had a really good conversation about it saturday. but we re not assuming we re winning. there s a transition team thinking about some of these. actually if you look at it, hillary will make history, president clinton will make history as the first man, first spouse, but also as a president as first spouse. i ll make the least history of the four. but to be a vice president to a woman president and with bill clinton in the white house and my wife is my wife second lady if there s no first lady? so there s no complete playbook for this? but that s cool, too. there s traditions that you honor. but it s also something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. you have to make your own traditions. the ability to create the model a little bit is exciting. in terms of the division of labor and career interests in your own family, i know you described yourself as a feminist. absolutely. you talk about these things in feminist terms but your wife was secretary of education in virginia when you were named to the ticket she gave up that job. yeah. she s supporting you full-time. presumably if you re elected she ll move into whatever we ll call that job. how hard was that for you to navigate? do you have any regret about that? i do. if you had ann here, she d answer it differently. so i think my wife has given up a lot to support me. she was a juvenile court judge and really loving her job when i got elected governor. she could have continued in that role. she wasn t required to step down. but she decided there are things i can t do on the bench that i think i can do as first lady. she helped reform the virginia foster care system. i view that as a sacrifice her giving up that job. she said it was an opportunity for me to take my judicial experience and now do a big legal reform. i think she feels the same way. as secretary of education, she has been a real passionate advocate for the profession of teaching. and that has been a central focus of hers. the head of the department of education has to be responsive to teachers and a million other constituencies, but that s an umpire s job. but she can advocate for school boards, teachers, ptas, i can carry on the good work that jill biden and michelle obama has done around military families. so i felt sad for her when she said, i think i need to step down, but she said, i just want to make sure that hillary clinton s president, i don t want to be worried about if i have enough vacation days to go on the trail for her, i want to go campaign for her. senator tim kaine talking to me about what it s like to work for and with hillary clinton and what it means for him as a feminist and a politician to be in that role. strong men can support strong women. also clarifying that he and hillary clinton do communicate by secret means in order to keep their conversations safe from prying eyes and hostile hackers. i don t think he meant it in terms of carrier pigeons, but that is what he said. also saying when he was with secretary clinton this past saturday one of the things the two of them had a good conversation is what s going to happen with bill in the white house? what is going to happen with bill in the white house? more ahead with vice president contender tim kaine. stay with us. it s not theoretical. saying stop spending in the red states. do you feel it? i do. sterine® kills 9 of badreh germs for a 100% fresh mouth. meanyou feel bold ough to. .assist a magician. .or danc listerin. brg out the bold™ utah this year. it would be an astonishing statement to win it, right? but is it a good idea to spend resources to make that statement. if things are going well that you re also going to win utah, it s not going to be close. should they just spend what and where they need to to get to 270, then dump everything else they ve got into trying to win other races, in the senate, the congress, the states? it s not a theoretical question anymore as it turns out and not an easy one for the campaign to answer. and that is next with democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine. the downfield presidential race. clinton may be in a good place but i don t think the party is in a good place yet. i asked senator tim kaine about that tonight. watch. let me ask you about some of the political decisions, the hard political decisions that you and the democrats are making right now. yeah. it s been as a spectator sport it has been fascinating to watch you go to utah. you ve got this op-ed in the deseret news right now. we ve got polls in texas, there s a small ad buy that you just did in texas. as a spectator it is fascinating to see you guys playing on that side of the ideological number line in our country. at the same time, though, it feels like there s a real opportunity cost right now in terms of money, these last two weeks, it would be hilarious if you won utah. wouldn t it be better to spend that money trying to elect a few more members of the the house from indiana or anywhere else in the country where you can build up your majority in congress? yeah, this is the four-dimensional chess that we re playing. it s all based on analytics. do you go for some extra electoral votes or take that money and try to build a bigger margin for a senator. my feeling, having been dnc chair, too, in a presidential year, almost the best thing, almost always to increase your success in congressional races is just to do really well in the presidential election. sometimes true, like 96, that wasn t necessarily true. republicans held on very well in congress even though when bill clinton beat bob dole badly. beat him badly. they re counterexamples. but usually the up tick in a presidential year, so it s worth doing as well as you can on the up ticket. north carolina is an interesting state where the up ticket is not only helping the down ticket but the down ticket is helping the up ticket because there s such a move among progressives in north carolina that the governor has painted the state against its traditions. we have to win that state and win the governor s race. in each state, we re assessing what can we do, can we win, and the tide goes to if we can win and get colleagues elected too congressman butterfield from north carolina. great friend, great congressman. a shrewd tactician. he s being outspoken about this, we know you have to balance things but you re making the wrong call. you re not doing enough for down ticket democrats at the expense of trying to run up the score needlessly in the electoral college. start spending them on the regional tickets. was in north carolina last thursday did a good rally together. and he made that point to me. we re looking at where opportunities are. my example would be the state of georgia. georgia is a state with a significant minority population. polls are close. if we can get over in georgia, this would create something positive long-term that would be great for the black caucus, great for democratic future because that s one of the ten largest states and there s only two in the ten largest that go the other way, texas and georgia. if we can get that back, that would be great. we re not forsaking north carolina. i ve been there so often and president obama and michelle obama and hillary and president clinton were all there a lot. when he makes the case, you have to listen because he s very good at this. so all of this, we re factoring in, so i haven t, i wrote an oped for the desert news, but i haven t been to utah yet. did a campaign event in air and a couple in texas, but i m real yeah in a few others. you guys feel like you re effectively straddling it. you make choices on the fly. we want a congress that we can work with to get some things done. tim kaine tonight on the hard choices democrats are making now. they re basically trying to max out the presidential win in as many states as possible while also doing the max for democratic congressional races senate races and all the others. the cacophony around the way they make those decisions is going to get louder and louder over the next 13 days. just watch. more ahead, stay with us. two are elected in november. does there have to be some sort of overture, some sort of welcoming place in the administration for republicans? i would hope so. i would hope so, or in policy. look. more than just a token cabinet officer? i would hope so, and look, i think there s going to have to be a grand gesture on the behalf of the gop to say gop does not equal trump. gop does not equal trump. and if we govern, of course, we have to govern for everybody. so there has to be an effort to reach out the. and hillary are kind of talking about that, again, not presumptuously. we have to win first, but what does that look like? one thing that will help us a little bit, give us a little bit of a head start as i think we re going to get a lot of republican votes. john warner, who is the iconic political figure in virginia gave a full-throated endorsement of hillary. he didn t even mention donald trump s name until the last sentence. he talked about what a great senator hillary clinton was, because he was on the committee with her. and i think we re going to have a lot of people on the coalition that got her elected. but that begins a little bit of the outreach. you have the burden to govern, you have the burden to govern for everybody. no donald trump on the cabinet, though. i think that s highly unlikely. thank you for the time. i know you re busy of the. i m happy we could do this. vice presidential candidate tim kaine. mike pence will be sitting down with brian williams. we ve got more from senator kaine on the issue of the supreme court and isis. we ve got laugh-out-loud news for you from ohio. in spite all the good news for democrats in the polls right now, there are some not-so-good signs. like ohio, there was initial enthusiasm. but now it s down. democrats traditionally need to run up the score. compared to last year, early voting in cleveland s cuyahoga county is down by more than half. hillary clinton cannot afford that kind of turn that kind of turnout in that state if she is going to winnow owe. but the democrats have a plan. they have announce add free get out to vote concert by jay z in cleveland next week. free concert. you can pick up your tickets on friday between the hours of 8:00 and 6:00, at this location, directly across the street from the cuyahoga county office of elections. i don t know how ohio is going to pan out in the end, but that
house. this is picture for that meeting. and for the second straight day the dow bounced on wall street. truly an unprecedented thick and it runs completely counter to many of the prognostications out there before. yet another record today after donald trump s win. michelle kosinski is outfront at the white house. michelle, the moment today of this meeting so many people thought 24e8d never see barack obama and donald trump meet, never mind as president and president elect at the white house. maybe even not the two people at the meeting. and tonight outside the white house more protests but inside today it was all about reassurance and everybody on their best behavior. what was so fascinating about this, on the one hand you have this incredibly organized transition process with handshakes and good wishes on all sides. but then on the other, you have this intense bitterness from the campaign trail. and today the white house didn t really hold back in saying that i have great respect. the meeting lasted for almost an hour and a half. and it could have as far as i m concerned it could have gone on for a lot longer. we really we discussed a lot of different situations. some wonderful and some difficulties. i very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future, including counsel. when asked the white house press secretary said all those warnings from president obama on the campaign trail about trump, that he s dangerous, unqualified, still hold. does the president now have any reason to believe that donald trump is fit to be president of the united states? again, i m not gonna if two men did not relitigate their differences in the oval office. trump s next stop, capitol hill. meetings with leadership. the tone here equally welcoming, putting deep differences aside, for now. more affordable and better. reporter: an impending rolling back of as many of president obama s policies as possible. but the white house couldn t talk about that today, saying essentially what will be will be. america has chosen. my number one priority in the coming two months is to try to facilitate a transition that ensures our president elect is successfulal. ending it all with a joking reminder with one leader to the next, not to take question interests the press. thank you guys. we re not going to be taking any questions. that s good rule. don t answer any questions when their [indiscernible] very good man. well the not only how these two feel about each other but also the fact that donald trump has vowed many times to roll back president obama s policies. is a key job as chief of staff. the other person is a reince priebus. he s also been very integral in trump s world. running the ground population that got donald trump elected. he s been also very personally involved. i m told their bond isn t necessarily as close but certainly much closer than people think. and i m also told by people around washington erin that he would be a consensus choice. knows washington and the republicans on the hill. helping get many of them elected. so that is a choice. and probably the first and most important choings because it is the most personal. dana, thank you very much. and outfront tonight. reince priebus. chairman of the republican national committee. thank you for being with us tonight. i know you are doing this on very little sleep if any. we re told you have spoken to trump about a position in his administration. how did that conversation go? no that is not the case. we don t i m not involved in that. nobody is talking about those things. and so our focus right now is just making sure we re wrapping up the committee work and then, you know, making sure that the transition goes smoothly and so that he can be well equipped come january. and he will be. donald trump does give you a lot of credit for his win. at that moment when the world was watching him give his victory speech. he talked about you. here is what he said. i ll tell you, reince is really a star. and he s the hardest working guy we understand and i know you are saying you haven t talked about it with him. but you are on the list. steve bannon is on the list for trump s chief of staff. if offered would you take that job? do you even want it? i don t i don t to even talk achbbout it. the truth is i m in my job right now, erin. i m chairman of the rnc. it is an important role we play at the national party. and it was a great victory. but those great victories only happen with a great candidate. i m proud of her mechanics and data and i think it is unprecedented. i think it is unbelievable what this committee did. but none of those unbelievable things work if you have a bad candidate. so it always starts with a great candidate. and the other thing it starts with is you have to have a candidate that is flowing with the river. in other words the momentum, the mood of the electorate has to flow with the candidate. all of those things lined up, which is why, you know, i think the media narrative was just so far off on what americans were thinking about the choices they had in front of them. president obama and president elect trump were supposed to meet today for ten minutes. as, you know, that was the schedule. were you surprised after all the and let s just be honest here, frankly horrible things they said about each other that that meeting lasted han hour and a half? no i m not surprised and i ll tell you why. i ve seen president trump in meetings one on one or meetings and things had to be patched up. and people have to get to know each other. he didn t get to where he is. and now he s president elect in the united states. in his business deals, i guarantee you there are all kind of problems he s dealt with. blowout arguments permits or buildings or whatever. he ll walk into a meeting. and people will say this is a gracious personable guy. he s a hard guy not to like, especially in meetings like that. so i m not surprised. do you know what they talked about? have you had a chance to talk to donald trump about it? i talked to him briefly today when he swung through the rnc. but we obviously i wasn t downloading on details with him. but i m sure it was very positive and the reports are indicative of that. you know, bernie sanders today talked about donald trump on cnn. i wanted to play for you part of what e said. the election is over. donald trump won. i intend to work with president trump. i will vigorously oppose him if he appeals to racism or sexism or some of the other discriminatory measures that he brought up during his campaign. reince you have seen the protests. they are out there again on the streets tonight protests against trump s presidency. does he need to. does he feel he should reach out to these people explicitly and assuage their fears? well erin yesterday morning keep in mind donald trump spoke to the american people, just yesterday morning. and when he was getting ready for that speech, it was nothing about bragging about the election, nothing about continuing the rhetoric, the political rhetoric that was that was indicative of a political campaign. it was all about coming together, leading all americans no matter battleground, race, ethnicity, gender, whatever the case is. and it was donald trump that led. and it was him that decided this is the direction to go. let s bring people together. let s cool the water. so this is how it is going to be from now. that is what he did. it wasn t a speech nartd wloer said read this speech. no he sat down and made sure it was the right speech at the right time. and just yesterday morning, his sitting down with 90 minutes with the president. is another indicator. people should look at. here is a person who just won the presidency. and he s sitting down having a 90 minute conversation should have been 10 with the president and she s working hard and showing the country he s working hard to move the country forward. but i would say the agenda americans were in favor of was an agenda that the republican party, meaning our candidate, including president elect trump, house and senate candidates put on the table. the other part of this is that we have an obligation then to pursue the promises that we made in t in the campaign that people voted for. they voted and said yes we with want those things to be done in washington. so those things will be done. we don t have a mandate to water down our promises. we have a mandate to perform the things that we promised. so a wall banni, banning mus immigration from that s not the promise that is not the position he laid out. and this has now been since june that he gave that speech. i believe to either the american leagues or vfw. in june he said his position is if the country is harbor b terrorists in the risk of the security of the united states that he would take member to suspend those immigration visas until a better vetting system is in place. that is consistent with many bills in the house and senate. and it is what donald trump s position is. so if the media wants to go back now. not you in particular erin, but if if media wants to go back now and stir the pot and now claim he want this is muslim ban that he s made it clear through a three disabilities through june that this was not his position. it would do us all a favor if the media would get together and quit stirring the pot he did say it originally. and i donald trump and then it is going to be certain countries. and then countries that harbor terrorists. those what are those countries? is that nothing to do with being muslim at all? he s got to iron out very completely what he meant because he made it very clearly about religion. he said repeatedly that there is no religious test. and for you all to be coming back and relitigating something that was that is now five months old is what the problem is in our country. the problem is we ve got to fill 24 hours a day, 7 days a week of cable stations that create these issues that don t exist, and then turn people against each other. if the media is so interested in america coming together, then they ought to do their job and quit stirring the pot where it should belong. do you think reince that he also carry answer obligation? you have muslims in this country who are worried. they are afraid. they are afraid of what will happen and they are afraid of what erin i ve talked to ceos in other countries who are worried about this. isn t this incumbent on donald trump to come out and be very clear and the leader e rrin, listen. i think you are very good but i m very surprised that this is the conversation we re having. yesterday morning, yesterday morning, he just gave a speech about americans coming together. and you are asking me now on thursday whether he needs to do another i mean, i m not sure what you are asking for. he s the president for all americans. he s made that very clear. we re making it clear. and to go back to, you know, old issues when they have been asked over and over again and have been answer by president elect trump, people need to understand that he understands. i promise you. i know where his head and heart is at. and he said it. so just trust his own words. he ll be a president for all american, republican, democrat, independent, any religion, any faith. he s your president and he s going do the he s going to do a fantastic job and he understands the gravity and the seriousness of the position. reince priebus. thank you very much. appreciate your time tonight. thank you erin. and new tonight donald and melania trump are back in new york tonight. melania trump spent the morning with the first lady, michelle obama and this is a picture of the first meeting, the two having tea, after one of the ugliest presidential campaigns in recent history. suzanne malveaux is out fror ou at the white house. reporter: one thing to talk about your kids. safe territory. a good ice breaker. that is exactly what michelle obama as well as melania trump did. you might recall, sasha and malia were quite young. and it is melania trump whose concerned. very protective of her 10-year-old son baron. so that is something they share. this is very different than what their husbands experienced today. no cameras not. press. we have one photo from the white house press office. all smiles. we are told that it started off with a tour of the residence. and went to the truman balcony. that as you know erin the place where the first lady and barack obama, the president, spending a lot of quality time there. so it is a special place for them. they took them there. and also melania was shown taken to the state floor in the white house to meet with the curator of the white house. that is bill almond. and he really is a human encyclopedia for all things inside of the building. and so she got a tour and she also got a lot of ideas about the white house looks like. the public space as well as the private space. and all of this as you know really meant to give them an opportunity, a chance to break the ice here in light of a very bitter campaign. this was with michelle obama saying quite publicly, quite forcefully making her case that she did not believe melania s husband was fit for the office and also followed the rnc convention where we saw melania introduce her husband but also seemingly take a portion from her speech very similar to michelle obama s in 2008. so there is a lot of fodder there for both of they want. but the white house says this is just the first of many meetings, erin. all right. thank you very much suzanne. a meeting would have been great to be a fly on the wall in both meetings. joining us now our panel. we ll see who ends up being the chief of staff. let s start with what you just saw. the michelle obama and melania trump meeting. symbolic moment but obviously very cordial. both of these meetings between donald trump and the president and melania trump and michelle obama. this is good for the american people to see. because it does represent i turning the page. going away from this nasty campaign where everyone said mean things about each other. now we re moving forward. it is the hallmark of the united states t peaceful transition of power. and it is heartening no see them talking to each other like civil humans. and let s because if anybody wouldn t be able to talk to each other likes civil human, it might be these two people given what they have said in the past. and yet they were so gracious to each other today. here are some of the things they had to say about each other. my priority is my son barron our son barron. i m a full time mother to our son barron. at the end of the day my most important title is still mom in chief. actually that wasn t the sound bite i was looking for. but phillip, you know they do have obviously having in common. michelle and melania trump. but let me play what i wanted to play which is president obama and president elect donald trump saying such nice things about each other today. i have been very encouraged by the, i think, interest in president elect trump s wanting to work with my team. mr. president, it was a great honor being with you. and i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. very good man. thank you guys. heartening things to hear. heartening image and hopefully healing for americans who are so divided right now. amazing picture because donald trump sitting in front of a bust of martin luther king j.r. it is a peaceful transition of power. i do think it seemed like he was a little nervous and understandably so. the weight of this job is going to be tremendous. and i think in that 90 minute time period donald trump got an understanding of just how important this road is going to be. i want to ask on the issue that came up in reince priebus and my conversation about the in this case it was about how donald trump would treat muslims. but there are other groups in this country who are also concerned. does donald trump need to speak to these people? some of whom are protesting now. and say if his policies have changed, how and why? does he need to talk to them david? yes i think he does. i don t think he needs do it immediately. and you have to say both he and president obama have given an excellent tone for the transition. gives us many you have more assurance about how the transition itself will be conducted. there are going to be issues that come up in the next few days. if trump names steve bannon as his chief of staff you are going to hear a lot of flurry about that one. but beyond that, i think that over time he does need to reach out. he ll have a couple of speeches coming up i m sure public remarks where he can say some of those things. but ify if he were more proactive and call people in and talk to them. that is the kind of smart thing. you sometimes needs to do things that are a little daring in order to get attention and people say yeah okay i get it. should he do that jeffrey? call? have a meeting with whatever group it may be. muslim americans. muslim leaders in this country. zrump a good leader. he s a good executive. the donald trump you saw there is the donald trump that i know and so many of his friends and the people who work for him now. skpoi totally expect him to be doing this. that said i want to say something about the protests here. i have the gray hair for a reason. and it is because at my age i have seen i ve grown up. and in my lifetime i have seen. and i m sure some of these are the same people in the streets over vietnam. there were a million people in the streets protesting ronald reagan s nuclear policy. they are demanding nuclear free. carrying paper ma shay heads and saying it is not a movie ron. they do the this all the time. they are going to do this to donald trump. they did it to poor hubert humphrey in chicago. some of these people are not going to change because it is their profession. this is not vanity. that is reaction to real concerns. we may not remember exactly everything donald trump said during the course of the campaign but we ll remember how we felt. whether it is the muslim community, whether it is african americans being concerned about the reintroduction of stop and frisk. whether it is the immigrant community broadly. i think there is real anger and concern. look, the tone on tuesday night and told have been great. so the question then becomes is he going to be the person that is welcoming to all these communities and let people know that he is going to be the president for everyone? i was in the protests last nights. i was watching your twitter feed. it was young people. promptly young women who are concerned about donald trump not because they are concerned about donald trump s policies. they are concerned about donald trump as donald trump. and donald trump cannot sit down with a woman and make that go away. he needs to demonstrate other the next four years he s doing significant outreach and not doing the things people are worried about with women. not doing the things people are worried with the african american community and tot doing the things people worried about with the african american community. hillary clinton seen for the first time since her concession speech. my guest, hillary clinton support wloer randomly spotted her in the woods alone on a hike today. guess who took the pitcher. and the gop waging war on president obama s signature achievement. just rhetoric? or is obamacare a goner? when it comes to heartburn. trust the brand doctors trust. nexium 24hr is the #1 choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. for all day and all night protection. banish the burn. with nexium 24hr. when you find something worth waiting for, we ll help you invest to protect it for the future. financial guidance while you re mastering life. from chase, so you can. what? is he gone?? finally, i thought he d never leave. tv character: why are you texting my man at 2 a.m.? no. if you want someone to leave you alone, you pretend like you re sleeping. it s what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it s what you do. tv character: taking selfies in the kitchen does not make you a model. people saw an incredibly painful moment for her. how did she seem to you? honestly i think she seemed as well as anybody could be expected after, you know, such a crazy, crazy experience. i can t speak to how she was feeling on the inside. but she couldn t have seemed any nicer or kinder and gracious to me. you know, i think it was a very dark day for a lot of people yesterday. so this was a very hopeful encouraging moment for me. and that is really why i posted the picture at all. and bill clinton i know was there margo. he s not in the picture. he took the picture actually. all right. thank you so much. i appreciate you taking the time margo. and there are many who were very eager to see this picture. and thank you for sharing it. thank you. i hope it makes people feel hopeful and comforted. that is really why i posted it. thank you. thank you so much. we re learning more tonight about what the clinton campaign thinks went so wrong versus what they expected. obviously she was out in the woods with bill taking a walk today. and she posed for that pitcher. life goes on. it has to. and the fact they are hiking in the woods. but i think, you know, to that woman s point, seeing a lot of hillary clinton supporters in my facebook feed and on twitter, i think a lot of women especially just wanted to give her a hug. so hearing that, that this women did that, i think she spoke for a lot of folks out there who are upset. and there are. there are tens of millions of them when you look at the vote here. that is how this country s split. and better the donald trump loss. and the other way around as well. and the new york times is reporting that hillary clinton privately is admitting she stepped in when he did something that . she said deplorables. let me just play exactly what she said. to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of trump s supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. right? the racists, sexists, homophobic, zxenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. and unfortunately there are people like that. is that something a lot of people heard. pollsters didn t pick it up and that over the summer could have started to turn that rust belt away from her. i don t know if that is the issue. i do think she believes it was a m misbecause she said so right afterwards. i don t think that in and itself was the issue. i do believe that the way in which she characterized some of donald trump s comments, i think that those are things over the course of time we ve seen and i ve rashed about it. and others have remarked about it. but i think she was particularly contrite o about that and admitted it off the bat. i think the e-mails themselves and the stories about the e-mails that have been fed into the narrative was difficult to over come be. do you think that this actually influenced people. i think it did. and i want to in a partial sense defend hillary clinton here. i think she really believes that but she is not alone right and the things she added. i went back a looked at the speech she had at wesley when she graduated and it has similarities. when i was a wanna beliberal in college. and i began to pick up this the contempt which i believe american liberalism has come to exemplify. and that little statement from her is a snapshot. i totally convinced she really believes it. and more to the point t people that were in the room laughing all agree. ed think you take it a lit too far. they say that liberals have a contempt with the working class which so many of us and to be able to say that she herself has that kind of contempt i think is stretching that comment moral of the story is talk about the candidate. 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replace obamacare. a difficult task over such a polarizing issue. obama making an appeal to voters while campaigning for hillary clinton. 20 million americans have health insurance that didn t visit before. but make no mistake, all that progress goes down the drain if we don t win tomorrow. democrats in congress plan to fight tooth and nail to save the sweeping law. if we re going to repeal and replace we need to replace with something that doesn t take healthcare away or insurance away from 20 million people. but goppers say voters expect them to do away with healthcare. let s say every single republican thought obamacare was a mistake. without exception. that s still our view. and you can expect us with a new president who has the same view to address that issue. reporter: passing a replacement bill could take up to two years erin. the entire during of congress. that is if they get democratic support. and in the meantime as the obama administration leaves office they are redoubling 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(laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. break news. we re watching anti-trump protests again across the country. as anti-trump protesters. meeting with his transition team tomorrow and the top priority is the 800 jobs that require security clearance. outfront tonight a man who has been working since long before election day on trump s national security team. former chairman of the house select on intelligence and the more. it s been about 41 hours since the seismic event that so few expected. donald trump is the next president of the united states. you have been working with the trump team for a long time before election day but take me inside the room for these 41 hours. what has this been like for you. well can t take it too far into the room erin. but what i can tell you is this. this is very professionally run. i saw earlier reports that oh no they don t have a transition team. weren t engaged in it. this was very separate from the campaign. if trump was up 50 or down 7, it never mattered. the election came. i think there were some surprises for the folks on the transition team thinking it was a day that we were going to hand in our gear. instead it turned ourt. here is the good news. all of that preparation had already happened up to election day. so the surprise in the election didn t change that. president elect trump is going to get a full and robust package. everything from national security to economics, to all of it. including prevetting of individuals they believed could be could phil some on these important jobs so he could get up and running and make sure that the country has been taken care of. and i ll tell you the obama administration has been very professional and took the model from george w. bush and said we want to duplicate it and they have lived occupy that. a very commendable transition insuring that the handoff of the baton is good for america at the end of the day. so that part has been really refreshing and gives you faith i think in the country. an area i think you know too well. it s al qaeda terrorists, have been celebrating says it will bring disasters to the united states on the social media. what is your rookieaction to th fill in a candidate who would have won. either one they were going to do this. i would discard it pretty much immediately. there will be a change. i m sure there is going to be a strange in strategy for sure and for certain when it comes to targeting isis. but that effort is really try to get into america s head and our allies in europe. so i think you got to shrug that off like you would anything else. and remember they have a goal. they are trying to disrupt and cause a little disruption. we ought not to let them do it. and quickly, barbara starr is saying if trump gave the illegal order of water boarding to some generals. so purely speculation and so early. he s going to get in. he s going to get lots of briefs. he s going to understand what his options are. . i have no indication not even a outside of the bounds of his - legal boundaries. i dismiss it. this is a president who s come in and said i want professionals in all of these places. they have done that. there is professional transition. he s going to get professional advice. i think he s going to take it. and very quickly before we go, fbi special agent for five years. you are respected on both sides of the aisle. a lot of people are saying you could be up for a top job. say cia director. would you take it if offered congressman? 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so outer space still remains almost impossibly far away. that s very sad. but that wasn t the only option. he also offered one other next best option for humankind. he called it, quote, much more realistic than space travel. he declared that what we humans must do at this point in human history is that we must move into the sea. we should become sea dwellers. quote, between cyber space and outer space lies the possibility of settling the oceans. we may have reached the stage at which it is economically feasible or where it will soon be economically feasible. it is a realistic risk. i eagerly support this. the idea was that we should basically build new teeny, tiny personal cities, city-states, unlike shipping containers that are floating in the ocean. impossible and the only way that human sorry, humans can ever be free again is to move into space, presumably with no girls allowed. if we can t move into space, we have to move into the oceans. weird dude, right? that is why i thought it was weird when the republican party gave that dude a prime time speaking slot on the last night of the republican national convention this summer. i remember covering the convention at the time. and everybody else involved in covering the convention is like, oh, yeah, this is where the internet billionaire guy is going to be talking, this early trump supporter from silicon valley. okay, yes, those things are true, good to know those things about him. but also he really does want us all to form new countries on shipping containers floating in the ocean because democracy and freedom can t exist as long as women vote. he s the guy with the anti-democracy manifesto. how can the republican party be showcasing somebody who thinks we vul have to abandon this country and move into the sea in how can they be doing this? sometimes in space no one can hear you scream. it s probably true in shipping containers on the open seas as well. but there he was at the rnc, which was freaking nuts, but there he was. and today we learn that, at his request, the trump folks have put two people from his hedge fund in charge of transition efforts at the department of treasury and the department of commerce. and beyond that the big one he s apparently going for in the new administration is the fda of all things, the food and drug administration, which is in charge of keeping our food safe and making sure that vaccines and drugs and stuff are not just safe but also effective. peter thiel, this eccentric silicon valley billionaire who is convinced that women voting killed the country and we need to abolish democracy and move into the sea. he s suggested that one of the executives from his financial firms is the guy who the trump administration should appoint to run the fda. this guy is not a doctor. no medical background unlike every other fda director for the last half a century. but he does share two grand plans, at least two that we know of. he shares two grand plans with this billionaire eccentric who apparently has donald trump s ear. and who the rnc had speak at their convention. they apparently share at least two big ideas, two big plans. the first thing that we know they re on the same page about is moving into the sea. honestly, this guy is on the board of the let us live in shipping containers on the ocean group. he s on the board of the sea studding organization that wants to give everybody their own country in the form of a floating island on the ocean. this is from the very start of peter thiel s manifesto. he published right after obama was inaugurated in 2009. quote, i stand against the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. did you know that was an ideology? that s quite an ism. some people inevitably have to die, but according to peter thiel not everybody has to die. i stand against the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. that is part of that s the prologue of peter thiel s manifesto why we shouldn t have democracy anymore, how women voting killed the country and how we have to move either into space or into the sea. it s something he s been working on as a secret plan for years. we don t know exactly how peter thiel is doing it but there have been multiple reports that he s involved in some sort of regimen he believes will prevent his death forever. which makes me want to go mwah-ha-ha, make you say hide the bats. his colleague, this person he s now having the trump transition consider as the leading candidate to run the food and drug administration. here s that guy just two years ago giving a speech on immortality and how venture capitalists and investors need to change the way they re spending money and investing and stuff in order to get us there if we can only invent good new business models that will make us live forever. i ll play you a little clip. i ll warn you he s a very, very boring speaker, but immortality really is what this whole speech is about. what he calls rejuvenation and reversing aging. so at least the right people just don t have to die anymore. rejuvenation and reversing aging does not fit the narrow definition of singularity. there s no business model. it s scientifically achievable. i think most of us believe that. scientifically achievable. most of us believe that. when he says rejuvenation and reversing aging, to be clear, he s not talking about better skin care that makes your wrinkles disappear as if you have reverse aged. he s literally reverse aging. so like you re 71. you re never going to be 72 and that s not because you re going to die because next year you ll be 68 or maybe 38, depends on how much you take. you can stay the same age forever or you can get even younger if you want to. the lucky ones who presumably can afford it or whatever can live forever with or without the vampiric feeding on others. so ahem, what do we make of this? you can see why peter thiel is putting this guy forward for a high ranking influential position in the new administration, right? this guy is right out of his crazy billionaire wheelhouse moving into private floating islands in the sea for freedom. also eternal hif. life. but now here s bloomberg news reporting him as the first named candidate for the position of fda administrator in the new trump administration. incidentally, he said in that same speech, the sboring speech that i just showed you that clip from, he said that maybe when it comes to pharmaceuticals in this country we shouldn t have clinical trials for drugs anymore. we should just put drugs out on the open market, just sell them, let people use them. see what happens and the free market will sort it out. if anything got attention about this guy today, that proposal got attention. and i get that, i get that that would be a very intense change at the fda. that would be sort of undoing the whole process of the fda. even as a person who kind of cares about the fda, i am a person who cares about the drug approval process, i find it hard to care about that statement from him. i find it hard to focus on that statement about the futility of clinical trials. when he made that statement in the context of a broader overall speech of how we really all can live forever, mwah-ha-ha. this is not part of you get right with god and you can live forever. this is you get to live in san leandro for the rest of your life. you get to be 1,000 years old and look 30. they re working on it. that s apparently who trump is considering to run the food and drug administration. that happened today. the incoming administration also announced today that linda mcmahon who is a wrestling executive, also a very wealthy republican donor, she donated $6.5 million to the trump for president effort. she was announced today as the trump administration s nominee to lead the small business administration. transition also announced that the long serving republican governor of iowa, terry branstad will be the incoming administration s new choice to be the ambassador to china. the transition announced a name to head up the epa. that s an interesting one. we ll have more on him in just a moment. but the really big position that was announced today, not just floated like this epa guy but actually announced today was the designated nominee for the department of homeland security. the largest agency in government. in fact, i think, the largest organization of any kind in the world is the u.s. department of defense. the second largest agency after that in our government is veterans affairs and the third largest agency after that is department of homeland security. after 9/11, 22 different agencies, everything from airport security to the coast guard to the secret service to the plum island animal disease center, all these different organizations and agencies from all these different parts of the government were all cobbled together into a giant, giant new mega agency. it was the biggest reorganization of government since right after world war ii when we created the defense department. we created homeland security, it created this sort of mega domestic security remit under one cabinet official. we never had something like this before as a country. something much more like having a home secretary in britain or in lots of other countries they call somebody in this position the minister of the interior. we ve never had something this overarching in terms of domestic security. but because this kind of job is specifically a domestic job focused on things that happen at home, focused on things that happen at homeland as we ve all learned to be comfortable saying. one thing that you see around the world in democratic countries that have this kind of position is when you have a home secretary type position or you have a minister of the interior type position in democracies all around the world, one hallmark of that type of government position is that it is not held by somebody from the military. because democracies don t use their militaries on their own soil, right? democracies don t use their militaries to control their own people. they don t use military force for domestic security. in democracies you don t want the military becoming a political weapon used at home by the nation s leader. you don t want the military becoming a separate political actor on their own terms with their own designs on domestic power, like egypt or the military took over after democracy had picked a bad leader. for all those big picture civics reasons, military leaders all over the world are kept pretty deliberately separate and apart from this specific piece of domestic governing. when you have mennisters of the interior, secretaries of the interior, they re not military officials, they re not military officer. around the world. despite that norm and the reasons for it, the incoming administration announced for the fist time in the history of having a department of homeland security, the person they want to hd it will be a general who has been out of the service for less than a year. a general who has a 45-year career in the armed services. and that does not speak at all to general john kelly s good reputation and the high esteem people have for him inside and outside the serve,t doesn t say anything about whether he personally will be good for this job, but it s just unprecedented to have three generals and counting in cabinet level leadership jobs in our civilian government. i mean, we ve got a general as national security adviser, a general heading up the department of defense, a general heading up department of homeland security and counting. will there be more? it is unprecedented and even a little bit of an international shock wave for a democracy like ours to put a military leader into this specific job. because putting a military leader in charge of domestic security, that s something that nondemocracies do a lot of, but other democracies don t tend to do that. this is something that we ve certainly never done before. but when the going gets weird, the going tends to get really weird. and things are getting weird and none of this is weird enough that i think we should start planning on living forever on floating shipping containers until all the democracies die and we can be free again. but the people who are counting on that and see that as the kind of solution that we ought to be thinking about for our nation and our world right now, i m not kidding, those folks are helping make decisions right at the top right now in our country. this is not a time to stop paying attention. we ll be right back. that s why we re hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i m very proud of him. male vo: comcast. lots of focus right now in the news on what s going on with the incoming administration. tonight i m here to tell you ere s also really interesting news on the states that are digging in their heels and planning on not going along with the new direction of the country. very interesting news on that front ahead. plus music. terrible, terrible music played by me straight ahead. get involved in your schools because if our kids go down the tubes, we go with them. the more you know. and now to our off-brand cable news version of that called you know more now. [ laughter ] thank you, nick. so sometimes there s something in the news that ends in a bit of a cliff-hanger. we don t know how it s going to turn out. but then later we find out how it turned out. we find out more about how the whole situation resolved and the cliff-hanger is essentially solved. we learn how it all worked out. when that happens, we call it you know more now. so on monday, one of the more unexpected stories in politics was that former vice presint al gore showed up at trump tower, and he was not lost. he was there to meet with the president-elect. it was a weird thing, right? the guy whose climate change documentary won an oscar, the guy who made it his life s work to convince people about climate change and get them to fight pit. there he is meeting with the guy who says climate change is a hoax invented by and for the chinese. so an interesting thing. kind of a conundrum, if donald trump is willing to meet with somebody like al gore, what does this mean that we should expect from him on environmental policy? well, you know more now. because today we learned who donald trump plans to nominate to lead the environmental protection agency. and it turns out it s the negative photo image of al gore. it s al gore backwards. it s erog la. backwards al gore, erog la. it s scott pruitt. here s a taste of scott pruitt on climate change. global warming has inspired one of the major policy debates of our time. that debate is far from settled. scientists continue to disagree about the degree and extent of global warming and its connection to the actions of mankind. he wrote this in 2016. in 2011 an oil and gas company called devon, says epa letter draft. that s a three-page draft letter. and it s addressed to then epa administrator lisa jackson. and it complains that the epa vastly overstated how much air pollution is coming out of drilling for natural gas in the state of oklahoma. devon energy and this draft letter, they suggested letting the epa know how wrong they are about this issue. so devon energy drafted this letter. but they did not send the letter to the epa. they sent that letter to the oklahoma attorney gp general s office. when scott pruitt got this, he selected select a, c copy, new document, control v, paste and then send. he forwarded the entire draft letter from devon energy directly to the epa. he only changed a couple words in the entire letter. he did take care to put it on his official attorney general masthead as if he had written it. but it was, in fact, a letter written by the oil industry, directly written by devon industry. mr. pruitt has also sued the environmental protection agency several times. one of those cases is still going through the courts. so if he is confirmed as the new administrator of the epa on day one of his new job scott pruitt will inherit a lawsuit against the epa that he brought against the epa. and if you were not really sure about what he thinks about the epa, which is trump administration is going to put him in charge of, this is a line out of his official state bio. he brags, quote, scott pruitt is a leading advocate, scott pruitt is a leading advocate against the epa s activist agenda. a leading advocate. he ll now be in charge of the epa s activist agenda. you kind of have to admire the gumption on this one. but the cliff-hanger is over. your next epa administrator, not al gore. we ll be right back. and if you provoke it and it weighs 1700 pounds, soon you will not have to play dead because yeah. grizzlies live in the u.s. now in parts of alaska, wyoming, montana, idaho and washington state. and there s one state that no longer has grizzly bears but they so identify with what a grizzly bear is like that they ve kept their variety of ursus horribilus as their state animal. they ve been provoked and right now just starting to growl and that very interesting provocative story is next. some people got hurt that day. but that disaster of a rally in texas, in dallas, it did give us these guys. make texas mexico again. because texas is amazing. texas is amazing and pushy and creative and adorable. the official state tourism campaign in texas tells you straight up it s like a whole other country. and that s not just a slogan. a significant number of texans think of their membership in the union as a little provisional. this past summer when asked if they would like to secede if hillary clinton won the white house, 40% said, yes, if clinton wins they d like to secede. to that point you can find entertaining pockets of that sentiment all over the country whether seceding because of clinton or to go back to mexico. in northern california tea party and libertarian types that have been pushing to secede from the rest of california. they want to break off and be in their own state called jefferson. they want to be jeffersonians. since donald trump was elected president, not hillary clinton, but donald trump, certain pockets of liberals in california have started to talk texas style by seceding. but they don t want to secede from california. they want california to secede from the united states. they re calling it calexit, like brexit but west coast lefty style. i don t think they actually would like to take the right wing jeffersonians when they seceded, but presumably that would be up for negotiation once the articles of confederacy are filed. the jeffersonians and everybody else in that huge state they are all lumped together in what is a definitely blue state, hillary clinton won california nearly 2-1. california in that same election also just elected the nation s second ever african-american female u.s. senator in camilla harris. they won t supermajorities in the california legislature. californians voted to legalize recreational pot after having medical marijuana for years. they voted to ban plastic bags in stores and voted for new gun safety laws on top of ones that the governor already signed this year. california has been a real laboratory of progressive social policy for a while, no matter who is in charge 2500 miles away in washington, d.c. well now that the president is going to be donald trump, california has a lot to lose. if the federal government decides to come after california for its progressive governance, california will prove to be a rich target field for an activist federal government that wants to change california to be more like the trump administration wants it to be. on the flip side, because of its size and its economic might and the sheer dominance of its democrats, california is also particularly well situated for a fight. if california democrats want one or if the trump administration wants one. turns out from the california side, they seem that they maybe do want to fight. this is from democratic leaders in the california statehouse the morning after the trump election, quote, we will maximize the time during the presidential transition to defend our accomplishments using every tool at our disposal. we will not be dragged back into the past. we ll lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our constitution. california was not part or this nation when its history began butty clearly now the keeper of its future. if that s the case, what california democrats want, what would that look like? how would they do that? how does california plan to hold a president at bay? could they take a cue, say, from texas? that s the view from the l.a. times, the leading opponent of the administration was texas. texas sued the obama administration 40 times, epa, gender rights, affirmative action. you name it. frequently texas has lost those suits but sometimes they ve won. they stopped the administration from putting policies into effect. when they couldn t top the president they at least made his job that much harder and slower and make things cost more political capital than they would have. that s what texas did during the obama era. if there s a state from the trump era, it s unarguable that california would be that state. if california is going to fight the trump white house in court, that might will be brought by the california attorney general. and the attorney general he just had just won a u.s. senate seat. nobody would say that camilla harris would shrink from any fight, but she s off to a whole new arena. if not her, then who will defend california and their progressive policies? who will fight this fight for california but also make this stand. if it will be may in court, who will make the stand for the nation s future that california democrats say they intend to make. we have a best guess about that. joining us now is democratic congressman. he s just been nominated for the california state attorney general. he has accepted. he told reporters, if you want to take on a forward leaning state that s prepared to defend its rights and issue, then come at us. congressman becerra, thank you for being here. rachel, what a lead-in. does it strike you wrong? do you object at all to this idea that california might have a role vis-a-vis the trump administration something akin to what texas has done to the obama administration? we ll have a role because we re california. more often than not as goes california, so goes the nation. i don t think california is looking to pick a fight. we re just ready to fight if someone tries to stop us from moving forward some progressive values that have helped so many californians. nearly 39 million people strong. we re a growing economy. sixth economic power in the world. and we re not going to stop. we re not interested in having folks try to stop us. we ll look at the constitution of the united states and our california constitution and recognize that as any other state, we will do whatever the u.s. constitution allows us to do to protect our people and advance our interests. one of the flashpoints already is clearly going to be the issue of immigration. this week democratic leaders in your state announced a bill that would ban state and local law enforcement from helping the ferg round up undocumented immigrants. another bill would require president trump to get approval from california voters before building a wall along the mexican border with california. if things like this get passed, if they get signed by the governor, if they become california law, do you expect you ll be defending these things in court? i would hope that the federal government would recognize that states have the purview to take on the protection of their people, the advancement of their economy. so long as we re not doing something that s against the u.s. constitution, we should have the right to move forward. if we don t want to see walls built along our southern border, we ll do everything we can to make sure that our people understand that we have a good working relationship with mexico. we have a lot of folks that go back and forth. i m the son of mexican immigrants. we recognize about 40 years ago we went through this fight that so many people in this country are going through on immigration. we ve gone well beyond that. i remember pete wilson and prop 187 in 1994. at that point we were seen as a purple state, in some eyes a red state. today we re a blue state because of prop 87. i remember talking to you about the veepstakes when hillary clinton was considering vice presidential running mates. i talked to you what it might be to be the top ranking latino in the house of representatives. can you tell me about your decision to leave the house. many thought you were on track for bigger things. possibility of you being speaker of the house in the pooch. why did you decide to leave washington and go back home to california? rachel, i think you ll recall at that stage what i said was i would like to be able to serve my country and my state wherever i can make the biggest dins. i worked very hard for the last 25 years as a member of congress, very fortunate privilege. i hoped that hillary clinton could be our president but we move forward and when they opportunity game from governor brown and i m thrilled that he d give me the confidence to be the next ag in california, i believe i can make a difference nor not just my state but the country. as goes california, so goes the nation. i hope you ll keep lines of communication with us. lots of people all over the country whether or not they have a stake in california are really thinking about california s leadership in the country and i hope you ll stay in touch with us about what s going on in the state and your state plans. stay tuned. javier becerra will be taking over as california ag. one of the things to keep an eye on in terms of the california fight, one of the other bills that the democrats in the california legislature have proposed would be banning state agencies from helping the federal government compile a reggistry of muslims in this country. 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