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-- they made the right to strike illegal for safety forces, police and fire. they don't have the right to go to binding arbitration. the bargaining changes. >> judge jeanine: what do you say to that? >> the bill has an appeals process. it shifts power become to the locality, whether the municipality, village or government, what we had before were arbitrators coming in that didn't live in the city forcing decisions. >> judge jeanine: here's the bottom line are you saying they don't have a voice now because they can't collectively bargain? we we discusses this before, -- we we discussed this bef...

>> reporter: good morning. in a lot of ways this is tougher than wisconsin, and it could be the law in ohio by next week. as you said, the ohio senate last night by one vote passed that republican-sponsored bill that does away with many of the time-honored union benefits, unlike the wisconsin proposal, it could allow for collective bargaining but it restricts the public employees' right necessary some areas. union workers can still negotiate wages, hours and working conditions but not health care, sick time or pension benefits, and there are no more automatic pay raises. there are also changes...

Equit equity? >> over the last 40 years, the public employee unions have had the playing field tipped their way. and through binding arbitration and many other mechanisms that have been available to the public employee unions, they just have eaten up every budget at every level of government in the state. that needs to change. that's what governor walker and the republican legislature is trying to do right now in wisconsin. >> senator, look, thanks for coming on. we'll continue this one small point. i don't disagree with you about some of the binding arbitration clauses. i'm with you on that. ...

Plan for retirement. >> cincinnati reports they are having growing cost annually on the payroll of 18%. but once it's approve and you go down the path you can never reverse it. trying to give them the ability to adjust. they are not bankrupting the community. >> the rules for dismissing professor are inflexible. it could take two-and-a-half years to complete. >> we don't have two-and-a-half years to react to the market. changing too quickly. >> the unionized workers say component of the bill such as ending binding arbitration would increase cost. >> there is no end point. you continue on throu...

Significant role. so we have to be very careful. there's a lot of things i believe in new jersey we do need to change. ideas of binding arbitration that caused local executives like myself, democrats and republicans, to be put in very, very difficult situations, and we continue to pass pain onto taxpayers, which in this economy we can't afford. but to put forth this idea that we should eviscerate the right to collective bargaining, to get rid of unions all together to me is really going way too far. we have to find a way to balance. but there is no easy choices now. you cannot have a situation...