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0 tame blame for shutting the government down. but the so-called suicide caucus shouldn't take all the blame. the preservation caucus of self-described moderate republicans could have stopped the shutdown before it started. you see, on the eve of the shutdown, congressman peter king of new york waged revolt in the house. >> sort of a republican revolt on capitol hill with five hours to go until a possible partial government shutdown. >> spoken to some moderate house republicans, who are working as we speak to stage what effectively would be a revolt to try to stop their own party from passing ...

The stars to align, and it now just wants that all-out assault on government, the electoral consequences be dammed. here to talk about how it came to be this way for the right and what it means for this moment of history and for the future, you have robert george of the new york post, also a former staffer to house speaker newt gingrich, joan walsh, sam tannerhouse, "new york times," and bob herbert. sam, let me start with you on this. i'm curious what you kind of make of the history i just laid out there. one of the interpretations i've sort of had for this moment, it is not just a reaction t...

House, it won't have a lot of support, at least initially. and democrats, who knows where they're going to be on that. house republicans, they feel like they're helping the senate to build the product and they don't feel like boehner is leading them in a certain direction. as much as there may be pressure for baoehner to take up whateve the senate passes, there is no guarantee that the house knows what it is going to do. >> bob herbert here. we know there are some members of the house and the gop who feel that the default would not be that big a deal. is there a way to characterize a general s...

>> bob, that's an interesting point. >> at least they're not shooting. >> early in the campaign. >> fishing this time. >> do you look back at bush presidency and the story of his relationship with cheney and how it deteriorated, it sounds to me like it took eight years, but after eight years, george w. bush maybe learned how to be president? >> i think that's true. but he learned how too late. we have seen a lot of presidents learning on the job, including the current president. but the fact that bush was so disengaged and really was not interested in the nuts and bolts of policy meant that he...

Around and do this all over again in january. there is also this. democrats' main concern according to reporting in the washington post is scaling back sequester cuts, making sure once the government is open and running again, it is not at the drastically reduced funding levels we have been operating at because of the deal that was struck the last time there was a debt ceiling fight. there are -- these are sure signs that democrats think they are in a strong bargaining position here. bargaining is apparently what harry reid and mitch mcconnell are now doing with each other. in poker, reid's mo...