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Ukraine expert. vindman was on that july 25th phone call and testified that it was clear that president trump was demanding that the president of ukraine investigate the bidens. question, was there any doubt in your mind as to what the president, our president was asking for as a deliverable? vindman, there was no doubt. he added, quote, the power disparity between the president of the united states and the president of ukraine is vast and you know in the president asking for something it was a demand for him to fulfill this particular prerequisite in order to get the meeting. vindman and hill testifying that sondland was talking about how he had an agreement with chief of staff mick mulvaney for a meeting with the ukrainians if they were going to go forward with investigations. investigations into the bidens among other matters. upon hearing about that from fiona hill, that a white house meeting would only come if there ....
I ll refer to my statement, the 2016 these things tend to be conflated so he s talking about the 2016 elections and an investigation into the bidens and burisma. both fiona hill and vindman testified that sondland said mulvaney is running point on this. yeah. look, i think from the time that the rough transcript came out, it s been fairly obvious this was obvious and obviously wrong what was going on here. now whether it rises to impeachment and removement is the question we have obviously back-up on that. and i think to me what is compelling and should be compelling to those who argue this might be some politically motivated attack is that vindman was reporting this in the regular channels as soon as it happened. and when you have contemporaneous concern that it was reported in a responsible way that means there might have been something up here, guys. so i think that cuts very hard against the argument against this. an hour after that he went to ....
Witch hunt. reporter: lieutenant colonel vindman the top ukraine expert telling lawmakers there was no ambiguity that in order for kraens the ukraine president to get a meeting at the white house, they have to investigate the bidens. there was a july on july 25th which he said left no doubt that this is what was required in order to get the meeting that the ukrainians had been aggressively pushing for. vindman heard that message from gordon sondland, u.s. ambassador to the european union relaying a message from mulvaney who admitted the quid pro quo last month. get over it. reporter: he responded that it was inappropriate and had nothing to do with national security. well i want to thank colonel vindman for his courage in coming forward and his willingness follow the law, to do his duty. reporter: vindman wasn t alone. his then boss fiona hill read ....
Were investigations into the bidens, john bolton told fiona hill, you go and tell national security council eisenberg i am involved in whatever they are tooking up on this. km donald trump argued once again that he a perfect phone call with the president of ukraine. when by any standard it is not perfect. after calling for democrats to stop holding hearings behind closed doors today decried democrats for making next week s hearings public. reporter: two of the most central players in the relationship with ukraine putting the chief of staff at the center of the scandal and delivering the harshest blow to the claim there was no quid pro quo. this is a hoax. this is just like the russian ....
The transcript and was shocked. i sat in an awful lot of calls, she said, and i ve not seen anything like this. and hills had been told by sondland that mulvaney skrated the ukrainians would get a meeting with the ukrainians started up the investigations again. hill testified that sondland told this directly to the ukrainians in a july 10th meeting. john bolton, national security adviser at the time suddenly ended the meeting. bolton then told hill to report it to the top nsc lawyer saying i m not part of whatever drug deal sondland and mulvaney are cooking up. vindman, who is also disturbed by the meeting reported it as well. hill and vindman had both known about the role that rudy giuliani was playing in ukraine, pushing the conspiracy theories and working to get the u.s. ambassador removed. after he was successful, bolton told hill that giuliani was a hand grenade that is going to blow everybody up. hill left the white house in august and said that during her time there and since th ....