play-to-play politics, staggering amounts of cash poured into the criminal foundation for criminals, dictators, countries that hate america. reporter: the trump campaign blasted you a new ad, reminding that the goal is to beat clinton. the campaign manager argued this is no time to abandon ship. enough of the pussy-footing around in terms of do you support us or not? the fact is, you know, some of these leaders have been very wishy washy. i think pal ryan has a job to do to keep the majority in congress. reporter: and donald trump is back to attacking hillary clinton s health one day after he released an ad that showed hillary clinton coughing and stumbling during that recent bout with pneumonia in september. trump said in florida here today that she couldn t hold up during one of his events, but we should point out, of course, the democratic nominee recovered from that illness a month ago. jim acosta for us in florida covering donald trump. thank you. now to the clinton campaign. a two-front battle to push back against donald trump and yet another round of stolen e-mails posted by wikileaks, something the campaign has to answer for. and they re trying to our senior washington correspondent joe johns here, they re trying to brush this aside, but it s becoming difficult. reporter: that s for sure. and it s clearly, clearly a distraction to the clinton campaign. they re spending time and energy responding to wikileaks when the clinton campaign admits it s hard enough to get their message out over the daily roar of the trump campaign, charging that their opponents are in cahoots with wikileaks and russia. the latest batch of stolen e-mails released by wikileaks. becoming an unwanted distraction for clinton. the contents offering a glimpse the sort of democratic dialogues. reporter: clinton is trying to make sure that doesn t happen, rallying supporters today in colorado. his campaign said they re going to use a scorched earth strategy for the remaining four weeks of this race. now, that just shows how desperate they are. they s all they have left. pure negativity. pessimism. and we re not going to let donald trump get away with it, are we? reporter: ahead of her trip, the clinton campaign release thing spanish ad. we re going to have a deportation force. reporter: in florida today, a federal judge granted an extension of the state s voter registration deadline due to the effects of hurricane matthew. giving the clinton and trump campaigns until next tuesday to register additional voters. now, if it is true, there s an effort to depress turnout by turning off voters, the clinton campaign says the way to fight it is what they ve been doing, pushing an affirmative policy message by selling voters on something to vote for and not just voting against donald trump. brianna? joe johns, thank you so much. let s talk more about this with hakim jefferies, joining us now in the situation room. i want to talk to you about these wikileaks e-mails. yes, they were hacked, but we keep hearing over and over from hillary clinton supporters and surrogates that seems to be a defense of why you don t talk about them. putting aside how these e-mails were acquired, don t the american people deserve a response to what is in them? well, first of all, we re not sure whether it is legitimate and that is a talking point we ve heard over and over, street, as she speaks before people in speeches where she s being paid hundreds of thousands by financial institutions, talking about how dodd-frank was passed and needed to be done, that is the financial reform bill that passed after the economy nearly collapsed. she also said to people on wall street, you have to keep looking over the horizon. she gave them some credit for inventing products that nobody has invented. i mean, when you think of products nobody had invented, at one point, that was the mortgage backed security that led to this economic disaster in the country. voters are seeing this, and they re drawing conclusions about hillary clinton being too cuddly with wall street. what do you say to those voters who are undecided in this election and they re looking at this? i would suggest that people actually look at hillary clinton s track record. she went eight years in the united states senate where she was representing wall street. case in point, after george bush was re-elected in 2004, his top political priority was privatizing social security, which obviously would have been a boom to wall street, because you would have had billions, if not trillions that could have been managed by wall street folks. hillary clinton, along with other members, democratic members of the united states senate, stood up and pushed back and actually stopped that. on the issue of trade, which many people on wall street support, this was only one major free trade agreement that came before hillary clinton during the eight years that she was a member of the united states senate, that was kafta. and hillary clinton voted no. and so i m very comfortable with the fact that hillary clinton, as president, will continue to stand up on the side of the american people, because that s exactly what she did during her eight years in the united states senate on issue after issue. in the discussion of trade, kafta is small try compared to nafta which she supported and the transpacific partnership, really the trade accomplishment that president obama was hoping for during his time in the white house. and she repeatedly, dozens of times, pushed it as secretary of state, only flip-flopping on her position once she was a candidate. and it appeared there wasn t an appetite for it among her electorate. actually, you ve got three important trade agreements that you just laid out. the first one was nafta. that s bill clinton s. she was the first lady she supported it. she supported it, and that s part of the record. but she was the first lady at the time. kafta is a significant trade agreement, a very close second to nafta. and she voted no. with respect to the transpacific partnership, which is a very significant agreement, when she was part of the obama administration, if you actually think about the timing of her words, what she was suggesting is that the negotiation that is taking place would be a gold standard how at a time when what was on the table really was providing the president with fast track authority. when it was time for the united states congress to actually vote on that fast-track authority, when we had some sense of what that framework looked like, when there was some meat that was put on the bones, she came out against it. i think that s a reasonable position. it s very hard to take a position against something that you have not seen, and so, when you think about the timing as it relates to tpp, i m very comfortable in her position. i will add that her support for it as secretary of state she never said was contingent on the outcome. but that is your opinion, and i m here stating the facts as we see them about her statements. i do want to have you hang around, congressman. we have a lot more to talk about. house speaker paul ryan just weighed in on one of these e-mails revealed in this russian hacking of the clinton campaign s chairman s e-mails. we ll tell you what he said and discuss that after a break. you both have a perfect driving record. until one of you clips a food truck. then your rates go through the roof. perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. and if you do have an accident, our claims centers are available to assist you twenty-four seven. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. liberty stands with you™. inside everyone is an incredible cook, someone who can cook an amazing meal any night of the week. farm fresh ingredients, step-by-step recipes, delivered to your door for less than $9 a meal. get $30 off your first delivery blueapron.com/cook. that was in this batch of what was hacked where you have the communications director for the campaign years before this campaign started talking about catholicism and how this is a more socially accepted choice, basically for republicans or for conservatives than evangelicals, because their rich friends wouldn t understand if they became evangelicals. someone else e-mails to john podesta that it s a bastardization of the faith. so this gives paul ryan, a catholic, the most prominent member of congress, fodder for sure. and he says, the clinton campaign s disdain for the catholic faith and christian evangelicals is staggering. these statements reveal their hostile attitude of people of faith in general. this is the united states of america. all americans of faith should take a long, hard look at this and decide if these there values we want to be represented in our next president. if hillary clinton continues to employ people with biased and bigoted views, it s clear where her priorities lie. how do you think the campaign should approach this? well, speaker ryan clearly is grasping for straws. he s had a rough couple of days in terms of the back and forth with donald trump and the republican party as we know it is imploding. i do think to the extent we can confirm that there was an e-mail that was written discussing catholicism and/or evangelical christians in such an insensitive way, i would encourage them to take action at the staffers. i think we should continue to celebration religious tolerance and diversity. by the way, it s quite ironic, because donald trump has been perhaps the most religiously intolerant presidential candidate in modern american history. but certainly that s not something that hillary clinton wants to be, you know, that s really she s probably trying to set her own bar when she comes to this. she is a woman of faith. you re a man of faith. so when you look at this, where do you think the conversation should be? you say this is something that should be brought up with the staffer, but how should the campaign deal with this in a way they may be turning off people of faith that read this, and they feel excluded and like they re being basically told by someone who may be talking about being sort of elitist that their religion doesn t matter as much or doesn t make sense in the political scheme of things. well, i have every reason to believe that the campaign will take appropriate action with respect to the staff member on question on this issue. if you think about hillary clinton s life journey, she s been all about diversity, religious, racial, ethnic tolerance, and embracing what s good in america and a large part of that is our tremendous diversity. it s a great strength. i think what we have with speaker ryan, he s trying to change the subject because his majority is in peril right now, and if you actually examine the relationship between trump and what he said and house republicans and what they ve done, it s a very close parallel. donald trump talks recklessly, but it was the house republican majority that actually recklessly shut down the government for 16 days and cost the american people $24 billion in lost economic productivity. donald trump talks about building a wall and keeping the muslims and mexican immigrants out. the house republican majority has actually stopped bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform from moving forward. on issue after issue, we look at gun violence prevention legislation. the house republican conference has acted like a wholly owned subsidiary of the nra because they ve stopped things like universal background checks that the american people embrace. so we can have a discussion about religious tolerance, but paul ryan is trying to change the topic. i want to add that the communications director who spoke about the part of catholicism being more socially acceptable politically for conservatives. i just want to point out she has responded to this, saying she doesn t recognize the e-mail and points out that she s catholic. i want to ask you, the governor of minnesota said today that the affordable care act is no longer affordable. is he wrong? he s absolutely wrong. first of all, there are more than 20 million previously uninsured people who have affordable health coverage because of the aca. the entire nation now doesn t have to worry about being denied coverage as a result of a preexisting condition aren t some people it is a reasonable discussion for us to have when this presidential election is over and we convene the next congress on january 3rd, as to how we can build upon the success of the aca and make adjustments. that was done with social security over the years. that was done with medicare and medicaid. it s reasonable to say it should be done with the aca. but the foundation of the law is solid and it s been a benefit to american people. congressman, thank you for joining us here in the situation room. and for being so generous with your time with us. we appreciate it. thank you. just ahead, donald trump sees what he calls a sinister deal along republicans distancing themselves from his campaign. what does he have to gain from repeated attacks on them? plus, the plane crash that investigators say was intentional. why did the student pilot deliberately plunge the plane into a busy neighborhood? my dentist. my doc. definitely my wife. wait, i know what i want. make sparkling water at home. and drink 43% more water every day. sodastream. love your water. that s a good thing, eligible for medicare? but it doesn t cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn t pay and could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call 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with people to solve problems. i want to be able to tell my kids that i did the right thing when it really mattered. i m hillary clinton and i approve this message. involved in a sinister deal. let s bring in our political team to talk about this. so you have republicans reportedly begging kellyanne conway to get donald trump stop saying this about paul ryan and other republicans who have basically deserted his chances at the white house. he didn t. he said something about paul ryan at his first rally, he did not at the second. kellyanne conway says it s over, but can she guarantee that? not yet. we heard donald trump say lot of things about paul ryan today, noting there might be some cynicism behind this. the point is that donald trump right now is trying to focus on getting his core, tried and true supporters out, getting them revved up, and going after paul ryan helps him do that, but not helping him pull in people from the base. as you look at that, do you think that he s going to be able to say okay, i was pretty ticked off at paul ryan for telling house republicans do what you have to do to be re-elected, meaning if you need to dump donald trump, dump donald trump. not really. i feel like after the captain con controversy, we were in the kellyanne conway part of the campaign. he gained in the polls. now we re in this donald trump/steve bannon phase of the campaign. he s hammering people on both sides of the aisle. the shackles are off, as he said. briannbrianna, when are we go like stop waiting for another donald trump to appear? he s going to change and he s going to be presidential. you know, the election is less than a month away. donald trump is who he is. he s not going to stop attacking anybody. this is how he campaigned. he became the republican nominee. that s a very big success for any politician. but the idea that he s going to somehow change his personality at this late date just seems absurd to me. it did seem for a while there was a hope springs eternal thing going on. it seems like hope does not spring eternal anymore. i wonder what you think, rebecca, about this idea that some observers are looking at what donald trump is doing, and they say even if he is not strategizing to get people kind of turned off and does not have them show up, these people who don t really like hillary clinton, don t want to support donald trump, maybe it s something that those folks behind him might be gearing him towards, do you think there s something to that, and is that a concern that the clinton campaign should have? well, he s not really acting, brianna, at the stage like he wants to win this election. he s listening to people in his campaign, like steve bannon, and saying things and acting in a way that really riles up his base but isn t really bringing in the undecided voters. he s acting like he did in the republican primary, in the face of great adversity right now, not the best polling. some difficulties in his message getting through, and resonating with people. he s retreating back to his comfort zone. and i think that s what we re seeing right now. that s not necessarily a great general election strategy. this is the place donald trump, i think as a candidate, that s a place where he s comfortable in. going on the attack. it might not be the best political strategy, by it s something that he likes to do. we have two candidates in this election. they have their comfort zone candidates. i want to talk about utah. trump is only ahead by five points, that is stunning. and check out this poll where we re looking at utah. you have donald trump and hillary clinton tied. that is fascinating. evan mcmullen, who is a mormon, byu grad, former cia operative, giving them a run for their money at 22%. so in missouri, the five-point lead is shocking. there a even can the margin of error, clinton would be tied. that s stunning in ways. in utah, i don t think it s all just the mormon vote, but mormons, donald trump has not polled well with mormons, even in the primaries and mormons tend to be republican voters. and it s been mormon politicians, mitt romney, others who have been really critical and scrutinized trump. you know what s interesting about that, briannbrianna, trum support has held up pretty well in the evangelical community, even though he s hardly an evangelical himself. but it s always been mormons that have not been sympathetic to him. you have the entire utah delegation in the senate, in the house saying we re not supporting donald trump anymore. it s the only state where all the republicans are united in that way. it s just a it s one of the things that i think we ll be looking back on, on this election that mormons and evangelicals had been allied in virtually all recent presidential elections, much less so this time. if we could go back to the missouri poll. that s so interesting, because it s really a signal of where this race might be going. the last time missouri was competitive at the presidential level was in 2008 when barack obama lost the state by only less than a point. he ended up campaign thing in the final days of that race, and obviously he won that race by a huge margin over john mccain. so if missouri is in play, we are looking at that sort of outcome in this election. i wonder what you think i want to change the subject, because john podesta, you ve got these e-mails of his that have been hacked. you had on friday the u.s. government pointing a finger at russian hackers is responsible for what we ve seen as a lot of cyber attacks. john podesta is going further than the u.s. government, suggesting that the trump campaign is actively working with wikileaks to time the release of these e-mails. is there anything to back that up? well, there is some tweet by roger stone, him intimating there would be e-mails coming out. certainly for the clinton campaign, their strategy is to tie it to the trump campaign to suggest wrongdoing on their part. but this kind of introduces the specter that come november, is the election going to turn out is it going to be as a voter, there s some nervousness going in. it seems like the truth has been so stretched in this election between john podesta saying it s hard to see exact will you where the base is. clearly it s their strategy. for donald trump at the debate, raising the question whether there was even a hacking period. so i guess my question is, what does this do to voters other than undermine their belief that anything can be true, that they can believe anyone, any institution? i think if there were some interference with actual voting on election day, you are going to see an interference or an effect on our whole process. but there s been such a flood of information about leaks and russia and servers and vladamir putin that i don t know it s seeping into the average voter at this point. brianna, i don t know what the politics are ultimately going to be of this wikileaks leak of john podesta s e-mail. but to think we now live in a society where private e-mails essentially don t exist, whether you work at sony pictures or whether you work for a presidential campaign. that s a very different world than we re used to. and i don t think it s a very good one. i m a journalist. i like to see what these e-mails look like. but the idea that e-mails are no longer private is a scary thought. jeffrey, very good point. i ve got to get a break in here. guys, thanks so much. just ahead, vladamir putin brushing off the alleged e-mail hacking as hysteria. disrupt the u.s. election, both by hacking the e-mails of democratic party figures but also now hacking the voting systems of states, a state like florida. senior russian officials saying they re not involved. today, the highest levels of the russian government denying that the kremlin is behind ongoing and widespread hacks of the u.s. election system. the russian foreign minister telling cnn s christiane amanpour there s just no proof. everybody in the united states is saying that it is russia. it has nothing, you know, to be explained by the facts. we have not seen a single fact, a single proof. reporter: russian president vladamir putin going further, saying the u.s. is pointing the finger at russia to divert attention from what s actually inside the hacked e-mails. translator: all the hysteria is aimed at making the american people forget about the manipulation of public opinion. everyone is talking about who did it? but is that important, who did it? the most important thing is what is inside this information. reporter: but the evidence say u.s. officials is mounting. cnn has learned u.s. investigators believe russia is behind a cyber attack on a contractor for florida s election system that exposed voter data. this after the u.s. took the rare step friday of publicly naming and shaming russia for hacks of democratic party leaders and institutions. white house press secretary josh earnest not mincing words about rushi s intentions. russia is interested in attempting to destabilize the u.s. political system. reporter: democrats claim russia wants to win the election for donald trump over hillary clinton. john podesta, whose hacked e-mails are being released day by day on wikileaks, suggesting the trump campaign is actively working with wikileaks to damage the clinton campaign. the clinton campaign pointed to this tweet by roger stone in august in what cnn believes he meant to say, trust me, it will soon be podesta east time in the barrel. the reasonable conclusion that mr. stone had advanced warning about what assange was going to do. reporter: stone told cnn that he had no foreknowledge of the wikileaks documents. john podesta releasing a new statement, doubling down on accusing russia, saying this level of meddling by a foreign power can only be aimed at boosting donald trump, and should send chills down the spine of all americans regardless of political party, despite receiving an intelligence briefing on russia s role in masterminding these attacks, donald trump continues to side with the russians, podesta says, even cheering on further intrusions. writing the growing number of links between trump s associates, wikileaks, and the russian government raises troubling questions about the possibility that trump s allies had advanced knowledge of the release of these illegally obtained e-mails. so an accusation for colluding with russia. i want to ask you about, you re hearing something about a u.s. ship that s been attacked? reporter: this from multiple defense officials. this is the second time it s happened. the uss mason deployed off the coast of yemen. for the second time, it had a missile fired at it from the shores from areas controlled by the houthi rebels. a surface-to-surface missile fired at this destroyer. the destroyer deployed countermeasures to defend itself. we re told that missile dropped in the water far away from the ship and did not cause any injuries or damage. but we can t underestimate the obvious danger of this. twice in two days a missile fired at a u.s. ship. i m told this kind of missile system is consistent with the kind that iran has supplied these rebels. that is significant. jim sciutto, thank you so much for that. and why this is what we re going to talk about next. why would a student intentionally crash a plane? we re going to tell you what we re learning about this very disturbing case in connecticut. . . [ on the road again, by willie nelson ] on the road again tonight. aviation officials are confirming the deadly crash of a small plane in connecticut was not arn accident. brian todd is digging on the story. what are you learning? reporter: we re learning the young pilot in that plane was under extraordinary personal pressure. he was a student pilot. that led to a brawl in the cockpit just seconds before impact. the horrific crash of a twin engine piper plane on main street. the student pilot on board dies. the struck outinstructor surviv. the fact there weren t more casualties is amazing quite frankly. reporter: this crash was likely intentional according tom the ntsb. a u.s. official tells cnn the flight instructor told investigators he got into a fight with the student pilot inside the cockpit. the student was so upset that he flew the plane into the ground according to our source. the source says it appears the student pilot appears he was being forced to become a pilot and was frustrated with his family. investigators plan to interview his family and search his computer the officials told cnn. while we don t know for sure what happened here. there have been previous intentional plane crashes, like this one in tampa by a teenager inspired by bin laden. and this one in texas targeting an irs building. the hartford crash highlights how difficult it is to defend against a private pilot intent on causing harm to others. there really is no way on the ground that you can defend against this. the only thing you can do is have exclusion areas where a private planes or unauthorized planes are not loud. and then have jets, fighters prepared to intercept. reporter: dan miller is a flight instructor in leesburg virginia. anything a instructor can do to prevent a student from doing that. as instructors we re trained to take the controls from anyone who s doing anything outside of the standard flight regime. in other words if they are not positively controlling the aircraft we have controls right in front of us. we can take the aircraft from the student. he said the instructors have the capability to grab the control yoke which looks like a steering wheel t runner pedals and throttle on their side of the cockpit and guide the plane to safety. what if i m intent on doing something. anything you can do? there are things we can do. like what? i m not going to tip my hand. and before they get into the cockpit they check for warning science. illness, medication, stress. alcohol fatigue and external pressures. if any of those are weighing on us heavily and we re not prepared for the flight we ll wave off. according to cnn s source there was no recorders on board the small plane so there may be little or no evidence to corroborate the flight instructors claim. despite that the source says based on their initial interviews investigators do believe the instructor is telling the truth. brianna. brian today. thank you for that. and now we want to tell you about a new cnn film airing tonight. featuring first lady michelle obama and focuses on the challenges many young girls face just to get an education. she traveled to liberia and spoke with young women in schools and shared their story. my goal as first lady was to make sure that i was the best first lady i could be. so i made sure that every day i came to my job they brought a level of passion and confidence and trust. and i try to operate from that place every single day. maybe those are some of my strengths. is the ability to just be me. no matter where i am. you don t have to be somebody different to be important. you are important in your own right. people want and need to value you because of who you are. because of your story. because of your challenges. that is what makes unique. one of the contributors to film joining me now. this is a journey with michelle obama but it is the girls in this film that are are real stars. tell us what we re going to find in this inspiring project tonight? people are going to be uplifted. they ever going to meet some incredible young women facing difficult ods but pushing forward nonetheless. one girl in particular, rafina lives with her aunt and uncle. and despite pressures she s pushing forward brianna. and when you hear the stories, when you hear how much they are fighting and struggling. i m telling you it is going to steal your hard. this is a beautiful, beautiful project. and there is even the threat of violence. this is i think sometimes we take for granted what it takes to get an education. and they are facing tremendous odds. absolutely. it is not just some of the cultural issues that you face just kind of ideas of inequality between the sexes, financial pressures and the developing world. school is not necessarily a safe place for these girls. in some schools they see high rate of sexual violence. we know in a country like liberia there is a huge issue of exploitation. sexual exploitation of girls. these are real issues the girls are battling every day yet they are not pushing forward. brianna, these girls are going to thrive and make huge successes of themselves. and fascinating. and tonight you are pulling back the curtain and giving us a view of something we haven t seen before. so isha, thank you so much for that. and we will rise: michelle
caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone . the factor begins right now. hi, i am bill o reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. president obama s job performance, that is a subject of this evening s talking points memo. about an hour from now, barack obama will deliver his farewell address. after eight years in office, he believes he has been successful. others dissent. wall street journal editorializing today, barack obama s presidency has been a disappointment at home and abroad. in fact, ironically, underscored by mr. obama s relentless insistence that he has been a so, now, talking points would like to assess and present the facts about president obama on the job. first of all, some of you believe that i, your humble correspondent, have been too easy on mr. obama. over the years, i ve received letters like these. speaking of matthew richards, native massachusetts come i didt realize that you are the new spokesman for the white house. bill, you threw softballs of the president. you are losing your edge. monro township new jersey, o reilly, why are you defending president obama? talking points replies this way. i have been fair. i haven t bashed a president. i have not attacked him personally. i have not bought into the opinion that he wants to damage the usa. i have not bought into that. what i have done is analyze what he has done in a fact-based way. so, let s take a hard look at that. president obama the first, he is half african-american, he s a historic figure. he has given hope too many minorities and others who see him as a person with little advantage in his early life. who, through hard work, grows up to become the most powerful man in the world. that is a very positive thing. mr. obama is a role model for success. on the negative side, and expectedly, the president has not improve the economic or social situation of most poor minority americans. there is no more poverty in the usa that there was when he took office. black home ownership down on his administration. and racial division way up. groups like black lives matter have polarized blacks and whites and mr. obama welcomed that radical group to the white hous white house. kind of a mystery to me why barack obama did not concentrate more on solving the poverty problem. key to that is keeping families intact. at one point, i expected mr. and mrs. obama to make that theme one of of the top priorities. it never happened. for poor education in the inner cities. a lax view on narcotics. and the president s muted support of the police, all contributed to chaos poor neighborhoods. those take a look at the health care situation. mr. obama s vision is good. all americans should have acces. but the execution of obamacare put a steep burden on working-class families, as we all know. health insurance premiums way up, deductibles way up. and doctors accepting the health mandate, becoming fewer and fewer. there is no question obamacare will be repealed under president trump. we all have to hope that the republicans will put forth a better plan. on the economic front, mr. obama did a good job on his first year of stabilizing the economy, which was in free fall, because of the mortgage can t that led to the recession. for example, he made the right decision bailing out some american carmakers who have since repaid the feds. but then, mr. obama shifted into massive income redistribution country. that s destabilized europe, as the migrants pour in. and lead to even more terrorism on the continents. on the russia front, mr. obama was totally impotent in the face of the tyrant putin. the former kgb officer did exactly what he wanted to do, including invading countries and hacking into the american political system. also, the chinese don t fear barack obama. they have made the south china sea international waters their own. they took it over. chinese have also undermined the american economy, as donald trump has so often pointed out. finally, the new treaty with iran, still debatable. what is not debatable is that iran is the primary sponsor of terrorism in the world! including, the direct destabilization of countries in the mideast and afghanistan. the iranians do not fear barack obama. in international matters, it s clear, president obama believes global warming is more important than stabilizing and protecting the world. in the face of a global. now, global warming is real. climate change is happening. but mr. obama s vision of hurting certain economic sectors in america in order to lessen fossil fuel intrusion cannot possibly work unless countries like india and china do the same thing. as everyone knows, they are not. so, mr. obama imposed regulations that hurts the american economy, knowing full well that climate change wouldn t improve for a while. does that make any sense? at this point in history, two-thirds of the american people think america is on the wrong track. but they still like barack obama. his approval ratings are about 50%. that is up to the president s credit. he has put forth in emmett java responsibility. but as the nation s leader, mr. obama has not improved the economy to any significant extent, has not diminished poverty and poor education, has not brought americans together, and has used the power of this great nation in a way that has created mayhem abroad. that is the historical record. nothing to do with ideology or wishful thinking. it has everything to do with performance. and that s the memo. next on the rundown, took our presidential historians will react. later, a nasty racial controversy on capitol hill including a painting offensive to american police officers. the factor is coming right back. take medication, you may sometimes suffer from a dry mouth. that s why there s biotene. and biotene also comes in a handy spray. so you can moisturize your mouth anytime, anywhere. biotene, for people who suffer from dry mouth symptoms. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which can be serious and life threatening. it may cause shaking, sweating, fast heartbeat, and blurred vision. check your blood sugar levels daily while using toujeo®. injection site reactions may occur. don t change your dose or type of insulin without talking to your doctor. tell your doctor if you take other medicines and about all your medical conditions. insulins, including toujeo®, in combination with tzds (thiazolidinediones) may cause serious side effects like heart failure that can lead to death, even if you ve never had heart failure before. don t dilute or mix toujeo® with other insulins or solutions as it may not work as intended and you may lose blood sugar control, which could be serious. toujeo® helps me stay on track with my blood sugar. ask your doctor about toujeo®. bill: our lead story, president obama s legacy. he will be speaking in just under an hour, giving his farewell address. joining us from washington, david azzerad, presidential historian. national tennessee, jon meacham, also a presidential historian, latest book, test destiny and power. all right, jon, i know you are overcome with my brilliance, but that i make any mistakes in the memo ? it was longer than a sermon on the mound that is perhaps as memorable. i don t think you made mistakes. i think there are some omissions that i would offer up as context, if i were writing the historical legacy of obama. i think on the economic front, you do have to give credit for the rise in the towel, only two other president since 1900 have presided over a rise in a stock market of this scope, calvin coolidge and bill clinton. the tax rates, you talk about how he was interested in redistribution of income. the tax rates are still lower than they were when ronald reagan assigned the bill on his ranch in august of 1981. lowering the rate from 70 under carter to 50, finally got it or 28. bill: not the overall it s a little sleight-of-hand, meacham, i am surprised that you are down here in nashville, you don t take into social security facts, which is really whacked. working americans, because, the restraints are off, it is much, much higher. and the state situation burden, you have the tax system. and the highest rate of corporate tax of the world, jon. right, you have a 3.8% obamacare tax on investing. bill: right, so, come on? it s a strange goal situation if you are looking for vibrant growth, you can t get it. i agree with that. the economy grew twice as fast under george h.w. bush and he got thrown out of office after one year. bill: let s go to mr. azzerad. what do you say? i generally agree with you, bill. the problem is with obama, it s his policies. obama, by all accounts, is a good man. i think we could and cried and the fact that he was our first african-american president. the problem is, when you turn to the policies, he pursued aggressively from obamacare to the iran deal to climate change, they are unpopular and they are unsuccessful. i find it telling that when obama is on the ballot, he wins. when he isn t, when it s his policies, it s his legacy, the american voters overwhelmingly reject him in the democratic party gets shellacked as the president himself. bill: what is it about barack obama? has he mesmerized people? as i said, his approval rating is better than 50%. yet, two-thirds of the american people think the countries had to get the wrong direction. it doesn t really stock. he is young, he is charismatic, the first black president. people want him to succeed. he carries himself more often than not with a certain dignity. so, i don t think it is anything personal. the left wants us to believe that the american people are racist and don t like it president for who he is. i think the whole country wanted him to succeed. he just pushed an agenda that was much more progressive than the country was ready for. and displayed a tin air to the e problems facing the country. bill: he wasn t nimble. you think he was too stubborn, jon? he didn t want to work with the republicans, i understand a lot of them were trying to sabotage him. in isis, that really bothers me. everyone told him, hey, you got a big problem here, leon panetta told him, his own guys told him. he kept going, i don t really care. i think that that is going to go down in history, either he was in denial on an issue that has killed tens of thousands of people or he just was incompetent, which is at? well, when you write history, character is destiny, you know this. part of the presidents character is he has occasionally given off the sense that if only the american people were commensurate with his brilliance, things would be better. i think that has been a problem with his leadership. i think one thing we have to give him credit for, the other thing about that, he also overcorrected as presidents tend to do, from his predecessor. anything that smacked of george w. bush, obama was going to go the other way. bill: particularly dick cheney. but ice is in a glaring error. i don t understand, mr. azzerad, why a president would avoid a confrontation with the group, seeing the massive, massive chaos that it caused. you know, all of these people in the middle east and africa now going into europe. that is going to be a problem for decades to come. it s right on obama s watch. his heart was never into foreign policy. i mean, he promised to fundamentally transform the united states of america, to remake the country. he was never interested in foreign policy. he viewed it as a distraction. this accounts were part of it, his heart was never into it braids bill: still, the jihad is a presence main focus to protect us. do you think, jon, do you think that barack obama at this point understands the criticisms that i just laid out? or is he one of these people that blocks all that out and said, i did a great job, i don t want to hear anything else? he would answer each one. you ve interviewed him a lot. one of his favorite formulations is, this notion that then, he undercuts it. bill: now, we have eight years of facts. he is going to spend a long time, this is a man who can live another 50 years, arguing. let me say one other thing about terrorism. i think he has to get credit, i want to hear what you think about this, there has not been a spectacular attack on my on the homeland and his eight years. bill: correct. he launched ten times, 100 times, as many drone strikes as george w. bush. he killed 3000 terrorists. and i think, and many ways, alienated many people on the left with his anti-terror campaigns. azzerad isis is incredibly impo. bill: i think that when it was convenient for him to attack, he attacks. when it was no downside, he did it. but when it was complicated, he didn t. i will give mr. azzerad the last word. give president obama i want to grade from you, jon meacham, mr. azzerad, give me a grade. according to what you want to great him, i would say, what that he promised to do? president obama promised hope and change. he give us angst and insecurity. he promised to unify us and all he did was divide us by race, by religion, by class, by paying identity politics. i think he has earned a f. but in this stage of great inflation, he will probably get a d. i think it is a b. i think the prosperous have gotten more prosperous, that is one of the reasons trump won because the prosperity did not come down to where it needed to come. also, in history, as you know, bill you are not judged only by what your predecessors did, but by how your successors do. so, this will be an open question. bill: you gave him a b and mr. azzerad is giving him a d. good discussion. directly ahead, senator sessions telling americans what he should be the next attorney general, even as a some clowns interrupt his testimony on capitol hill. later, the feds once again wasting a colossal amount of tax money on incredibly stupid things. upcoming. say hello to a powerful tool that gives you options to fit your budget. oh, i m tied to this chair! dun-dun-daaaa! i don t know that an insurance-themed comic book is what we re looking for. did i mention he can save people nearly $600? 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americas, most of them, think that it is a despicable display. the fact is, bill the people that protested jeff sessions are the same people that protested hillary clinton throughout the entire presidential campaign. many people condemned the behavior today applauded it during the campaign. i think that speaks to the divisions we see in this country. i think the more effective protest was by kaiser con today, the gold star father, who bore silent witness in his opposition to jeff sessions, and his nomination because of his opposition to the full voting rights act, his support of donald trump s muslim band, and his criticism of civil rights groups. bill: no one is saying that there are legitimate protesters in a good thing. you mentioned the division of this country, remember, your guy, president obama, promised to bring everyone together. but the country is more divided now than ever, is that correct? i think unfortunately, what you say, bill the very beginning of barack obama s presidency, he was met with opposition from the tea party republicans and even donald trump. bill: it s not his fault? it s a continuation. i think democrats and the left saw that the tea party, the right enter them, were rewarded for that opposition i fail, they are going to do that. bill: you see the country as more divided than we have seen in decades, you see that, correct? i agree with that. bill: let me get over to melissa. so, my posture is that these crazy far left people help sessions and a trump at all of the stuff that they do works against what they really want. i don t know who they are really persuading. i saw one woman leaving, she was chanting about black lives matter but she was reading from a note card. i am like, you are so committed to reading this role, you are reading your lines and he didn t even bother to memorize it. it s not very convincing. these folks yell racist at any one who is right of center. and for sensible people out there watching the program tonight, they look inside their own hearts. you only really know your own heart. they say, i know i m not racist. if that is your best argument, that this point bill: anyone who voted for donald trump is a racist. that is how they extreme they are. why do you think i m a melissa, that the country is so divided? i think it is based on money. i think we have seen the gap between what mike rich and poor widen amazingly between the president s tenure. meaning, income has fallen. when people are falling behind, can put enough food in the table, don t see their kids lives as being better, they are so preoccupied with these things, they get very frustrated. all these other things, you blame other thing, is it about a race come about that. everybody was doing better and prospering, bill: bad economic times mean more frustration. more friction. bill: do you agree with that, mary anne? certainly, tough economic times certainly defines that. then, also, as defined by race and gender. you can t escape that. you have to give barack obama credit, as you did in your talking points, for putting the country back on track economically. what didn t happen is people didn t make more money. they lost wages. they lost the opportunity to get ahead. it took all eight years bill: as you heard, he did a good job in his first year, then, he went wild with the income redistribution and strangled the economy by all of the higher taxes and regulations. that was my analysis. the last row to melissa. i disagree with that. bill: do you think that trump puck, who is a polarizing figure, just like barack obama is a polarizing figure, do you think that trump will bring peoe together more? i think it s a challenge. a lot of that depends on the economy, as well. if he truly brings jobs back, he gets families doing better, i think that brings more people together, because most people are focused on their own family and their own community. bill: he can improve the job he has potential to divide further and do more race baiting. it could go either way but i bet on the economy. bill: all right, ladies, thank you. bill, last point. trump said on election night he would bring the country together but he has yet to do it since that night. he s not president yet, so, there you go. bill: i was just going to say that. melissa stole that from me. more as the factor moves along the ceiling. the state of california setting itself up to go out had to head with president trump once he s in office. former first lady of san francisco kimberly guilfoyle has some thoughts on nuts. then, nasty racial controversy at the capital. we hope you stay tuned for those reports. i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you re totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. bill: you may have heard about a painting that has been hanging in the capitol complex in d.c. since last june. it depicts a police officer in uniform as a pig aiming a gun at african-american protesters. again, this is my capitol. congressman duncan hunter, i a republican, took the gun down, physically took it down. but congressman lacy clay, a democrat, had the picture product, and wants to charge hunter with theft. something that will not happen. at this point, the offending pictures up, down, up, down, up, down, depending what minute it is. joining us from washington, lisa boothe and juan williams. is it appropriate in the capitol complex, i believe? i don t get is inappropriate. you can have a standard to controversial or inflammatory. but the problem is, would you say the same thing about statues to confederates that lead us to have a civil war? clearly, you want art that an flex passion, feeling bill: you don t think this is an appropriate? not at all. to be when i ask you this question, please answer richard directly. if i commission a painting of black gang members shooting a 9-year-old boy in chicago, is that going to be appropriate to put in the capitol building? if you could mention it, probably not. if you asked me, i would say on the same basis that i say that is appropriate, that is appropriate. those are alarming issues. bill: a black gang member with a gun shooting a 9-year-old, it s in the capitol. this is art that came from a member of congress. bill: this guy, lacy clay he had won in our contest. bill: no, no, no. lacy clay picked him, that guy, picked him. it was his contest, clay. come on! it s bogus! he wanted that. he wanted that up! what to say you? this is reprehensible and it s irresponsible for representative clay flared i worked on capitol hill, i have walked the hallway where these pictures and pieces of artwork are hung up. it is chosen by the member s office to represent both the member and also, the congressional district. this guy is choosing, to be represented by a picture that depicts a false narrative from ferguson, which we have seen since ferguson and just this past year alone, 56% increase in police ambush style police killing of police officers. bill: if that picture were displayed somewhere else, would you object to its? absolutely. i think it s disgusting. i think what it is bill: wait, wait, wait. sure. bill: is of the artist have the freedom under our constitution to display art tha? yes, bill. the problem is of the fact that the representative chose this out of many options to represent his office. bill: he wanted to insult the police, he wanted to get attention, all that. i m worried when you say it should be banned. i don t think it should be banned. no, no, no. i want to get back to you on the bogus argument that clay put forth and you parroted about confederate people like robert e lee being displayed in the capitol building. that is history. all right? that is history. we don t have to like all of our historical figures. but robert e lee is a general. he was a pivotal figure in the civil war. so, you put up his statue and you say, this is what robert e lee did. it s not endorsing robert e lee, is not showing him with a gun shooting a 2-year-old, it s not doing any of that. that argument is bogus. i disagree with you. bill: so come historical figures i think you are supporting my argument, you are saying, something of historical significance by the way, lisa, you said, false narrative. there is no false narrative. do you go ask the minority community in this country from ferguson? he will find out lots of people have lots of problems. bill: there is no history in that picture. wait a minute. i didn t lisa refer to ferguson and the tensions between police and black people? s bill: it had nothing to do with the police officer as a pig. that is not history! are you kidding? that is what some people have called bill: it doesn t matter, that s not history! can i answer? bill: that is not history. do you think bill: it doesn t matter. it s the appropriateness of the venue. last word, lisa. it s not just that. the way that the artist s is depicting ferguson is absolutely false. there is a false narrative that was driven by the left and the media and it has led to a lot of police deaths across this country and it is reprehensible for this member of congress to pick this painting among many to represent both himself and the congressional office. bill: we are talking specifically about ferguson. they are talking more broadly. bill: it doesn t matter, this congressman wanted to insult police my capitol. his name is lacy clay if you want to give him a buzz tomorrow, i m sure he would like to talk to you. lisa, juan, thank you. we will talk with kimberly guilfoyle about the state of california challenging donald trump on a number of issues. that could be. intense. and to gutfeld and mcguirk on your tax money being wasted in incredible ways. those stories after these messages. it s not just a car.. it s your daily retreat. go ahead, spoil yourself. the es and es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. i have age-related maculare degeneration, amd, he told me to look at this grid every day. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. with not food, become food? 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[laughter] all right. it may be xavier, javier. we will settle without periods. when i got misled by somebody who i will beat up later. anyway, you have an interesting viewpoint or vantage point because you were married to newsom when he was the mayor of san francisco, which is the most far left major city in the country. to for sure. bill: a bout of people who don t live in california, they don t understand why this state has moved so far to the left. do you? they really feel that they have a mandate that they will be basically the head of state against for the antitrust movement. they really believe these ideologies. i would grow up, i was born and raised in san francisco. i saw what happened there, horrible homeless problems. i worked as a prosecutor, assistant district attorney. this was the top sanctuary city, as you know, with the murder there of kate steinle. to bill: there was no remorse for her death. there was a justification, you saw it, we ambushed him, we ran him around at all of that. but again. i know, bill: what is the mentality of people who, despite seeing the homeless destroy their city, leading the league and property crimes, all of that, still refused to say, maybe we are not going in the right direction here? they refuse to actually equip themselves with the facts come,h the statistics. as you saw, this is a state that voted very strongly for hillary clinton. what they are not prepared for, they are ill-equipped, a fight that they are going to get. bill: who is going to end that? president-elect trump and sessions. bill: it will be jerry brown against donald trump, essentially. who is going to end my? ultimately come , i think the governor, gavin newsom, i think he will win, he will he has punch on his podcast, also known as my ex-husband, he has pledged to go against donald trump. he said that the wall will never happen. they have filed an environmental lawsuit. bill: does he want open borders? newsom? does he want everyone to come in? he doesn t want to have closed borders. he will fight very, very aggressively against it. in addition too many bill: i m trying to get into his mindset. if you were here, i would say, mr. newsom, do you support having anyone who wants to walk into the united states? what would he say? yes or no? eventually, he would say yes. bill: i think he would say yes but and make an excuse. i don t think he will make an excuse. he up embraces these policies. he is one of the top surrogates for hillary clinton during this campaign. he is really going to bill: you say he s the next governor? i guarantee he will be the next governor. bill: the central part of california on the northern part, not that liberal, once you get away from the coast, they are mixed independent, mixed. but the coast, the coastal cities, san francisco, l.a., all of that southern california, with with the exception of orange county. you say they are true believers, they will never see another point of view, no matter how many policies do not work, they want a left-wing policy, they don t care whether they work boys because they want left-wing policies. i ll give you an example, when i was first lady, we had a program called care, not cash. we didn t believe in giving people cash to let them use drug abuse. horrible homeless drug problem there. they will not allow you, essentially, to give services, which is what we tried to do, when i was married to gavin, they let couches on fire in front of my house. they rang the bell all hours of the day and night, death threats, only because we were trying to help people. bill: you didn t want to give them cash because you knew they would spend the cash on the drugs? you want her to give other forms of assistance where they could help themselves but not by hair when? job training, rehabilitation. things lit on fire around the house, to the point it wasn t safe to stay there. bill: i usually walk away from that mentality when a seat on the street but i wanted to try to get involved and why so many californians think that way. gutfeld and mcguirk on deck. $5 billion of our tax money wasted by our country recently. the boys next. said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. earn 1% cash back when you buy, and 1% as you pay. double means double. when really, it s scorching. and while some may say the desert is desolate. we prefer secluded. what is the desert? it s absolutely what you need right now. absolutely scottsdale. bill: back in the book segment tonight, what the heck just happened? an amazing report released by senator jeff flake of arizona called wastebook, porkemon go. it chronicles $5 billion, an amazing display of waste. here now, with the top three each, all right, gutfeld, what is your first run? they spent 300 grand trying to answer one thing, what are boys play with more often, transformers are barbies? i m going to blow your mind here. it turns out they play with transformers. bill: why did they want to know what little boys play with, it dolls or the transformers? this is all part of the social science thing that is trying to say that boys and girls aren t any different, but they left out boys that don t play with transformers or barbies, boys like me, who just find things on the highway to play with. bill: okay. like women s shoes, scissors, matches. bill: mcguirk, your first one. my first one is the ominous music makes people afraid of sharks. bill: how much was spent on ms.? they spent $3 million. the goal was to positively promote sharks. 2000 viewers was the test, they showed them shark videos and they determined that yes, the ominous music unfairly demonizes the sharks and the uplifting music, i don t know what it was, the sound of music, it actually made people want to bill: $3 million for this agency, the government gave them 3 million tax dollars, okay, to find out if sharks are being demonized by music. that s right. bill: okay. number two. they spent 460 grand teaching computers or artificial intelligence to watch television to see how humans think. so, they had computers watch desperate housewives, or the office so they could predict human behavior. i think this is a great idea but they picked the wrong shows. they should have picked the o reilly factor, the artificial intelligence would say, not having it. not having it. kimberly guilfoyle, everybody. bill: 460,000, so computers could watch the shows and predict what again? what did they want to predict? so they can predict human behavior. they should have had them watch mr. ed, so the computers thought that horses could talk. that would ve been hilarious. the national institutes of health, $3.4 million to have male hamsters pitted against each other to study aggression and anxiety in rodents. by the way, they used syrian hamsters, they said they were the most useful in these fights. i know what you are thinking. bill: he is banned syrian hamsters. why are we allowing syrian hamsters into this country? that ends january 20th. the conclusion is that the more hamster s right, the more they went would not come if they use steroids, they are more aggressive. bill: so, they had two hamsters from syria fight each other at northeastern university. bill: perfect. perfect. you can t even wear a sombrero up there but you can have hamsters fighting. and the one on steroids with the kids to the one without steroids? that s correct. bill: did the steroid one? always won. bill: last one. this, actually think it s well worth it. they spent $88,000 looking at 500 years of climate change data and they saw a slight increase in temperature increases the quality of a fine wine. red wine taste better if the temperature goes up slightly, just slightly. this means that global warming is good, especially if you are a drunk like me. better wine means happier people, which means fewer wars, a better planet. ie, ergo, global warming equals global peace. we win. i love you. cheers! i like that. bill: s what is your last one? my last run is how to be more popular online, actually. how to be more popular online. one of the first photos containing faces, 38% more likely to receive likes. that is unless you have a face like brian kilmeade, of course. [other factor that increases the number of likes is having a lot. don t be posting pictures of your dead pets. bill: so, why does the government wants to know how to be more popular online? cloud where they want to know that? why would they spend money to find that out? so, they could burn money, bill. that is the whole idea. bill: i know that gutfeld has tax liens against them. it is not as personal. but mcguirk and i pay a lot of taxes. i like meeting people online. they don t know who i am. bill: to counter disinforn campaigns. bill: bottom line i met a woman online. i m glad. we congratulate senator flake, good job, $5 billion on all this nonsense and not one penny should have been spent on it. gentlemen, thank you. and that is it for us tonight because we have a whole bunch of stuff coming up. thanks again for watching. tomorrow on the factor rule we will cover donald trump s first press conference in quite a while. right, president obama warming up for his farewell address. the tenant off to tucker carlson, who was standing by in tucker: good evening i am tucker carlson, president obama s farewell address will be in chicago. there is other news tonight too. senate democrats went after jeff sessions today, of course, donald trump s pick for attorney general. in a few minutes, president obama will try to explain why his eight years in office have been a lot better than a lot of people seem to remember them. for a game attempt defending the obama legacy. but first, as we await the president, we are joined by fox news chief political anger. of hope and change, his explanation of what happened in those eight years. obviously, you will hear a litany of defense of what he believes are his accomplishments but i think you re going to hear a lot about coming together as a country, perhaps some mornings to the president-elect, donald trump. and remember, this is 2,989 days after he del victory speech in grant park, just a short way away from mccormick place, where he is delivering this farewell address in chicago. and he is going to try to say that he made america a better place over eight years. i think you would have a lot of critics out there, especially even in chicago. where there are some who say things didn t get better and the election of donald trump was a repudiation of obama s policies. with a high approval rating, politics has met about 4% tonight. tucker: so he wrote this speech himself or at least worked on it closely? if you want to know what obama really thinks, listen tonight. he is going to tell us what he really thinks. no political reasons. what he believes his legacy will be. do you think that is fair? i think he is laying the groundwork for his party. this is a democratic party trying to find itself. it is licking its wounds because he has lost under eight years of president obama, there are now fewer governors that are democrats, state legislatures have been obliterated as far as from a democratic point of view and obviously he doesn t have control of the house and the senate as he leaves office. something that he did have control of as he took office. in 2008. you have obamacare and the solution, the repeal and replace it is going to come and all of the regulations that are going to be signed out by donald trump as he takes the office january 20th. tucker: he has suggested obliquely that he will continue to speak out on issues in his post-presidency. do you want to tell us more on that? we don t know, think that is the biggest question going forward. what does it look like in the post-presidency for president obama who will live in washington, d.c. his kids are still going to go to school there in washington and barring some figure who comes out for the democratic party to lead the way, president obama is probably that figure in the short term. tucker: you expect president-elect trump will respond in any way to the address tonight? i do, from the news conference tomorrow, i believe it 11:00 a.m. eastern time, you will hear a response. probably directly. that will be president-elect trump s first press conference since election, it will be his first news conference since july, actually. tucker: interesting. the biggest issue on the table right now obviously is obamacare. if you could, rate the likelihood of a repeal and replacement of obamacare in the next few months. do you think it is high? i think it is high. grandpa went through a detailed plan tonight that president electron has signed on to. i think it is a tough hurdle, they have a lot of plans out there and they they re going te together it started already in the next couple months. tucker: it has got to be an awfully bitter thing for the still president obama to watch. it is, and that is his signature piece of legislation. you re going to hear a defense tonight, i think.
be in the top five things that he accomplishes. an abc news poll, washington post also part of the poll, showing the president has just 42% approval overall, and an nbc news and wall street journal showing he has just 40%. but look at this. only 2% of the americans who voted for president trump say they regret it. his voters are still with him. nina, is that a bad sign for democrats if they aren t making mor more inroads and even what you listed doesn t seem to be intacting them very much. well, his team he can t continue to fworch with just the people who voted for him. he is the president of the united states and the president of all people, so that is a snapshot. what this means though, we shouldn t be playing politics either way with the needs of the american people. they want leadership and they want people to do things that really are in their best interests. so this is not sustainable just because his team, the people on his team support him. he has the worst approval rating in modern history, and that is not a good sign. put as much pressure to them. so he has to at least pay attention to the folks that are swing folks, that aren t always going to be with him, and make sure that he actually appeals to those voters so he can put pressure on the members of the u.s. congress to get things done. there s no education in the second kick of a mule either. he has to make sure when he takes bill to the united states congress he can get them passed. he needs to make sure he does his homework first and not be in such a rush to get a bill passed, but make sure to get the right bill passed. does he have political capital to have that kind of leverage you re speaking of? i think he still has that capital. look, people are still excited. you can find these polls against him, but we have more people employed than before, things are moving in a positive direction. no, he hasn t gotten the legislative accomplishments he might have wanted to have done, but he has done other things that give him a good overall first00 days. so i know we keep saying these polls are up, but his base is still happy with him. hopefully when he gets a few of the legislative accomplishments, more than just his base will be with him and say he has gotten things done that directly affect a betterment of my life. nina, as a dimarco whemocrat would you be okay with your lawmakers compromising on this week? nothing the president has put forward so far. i mean the wall we need humane immigration reform, ana. the congress should have done it long before mr. trump was sworn into office. it is not okay to build this wall on the backs of the american people after the president said that mexico was going to build the wall. forget the dad gum wall, what we need to do is shore up obamacare, not to take healthcare away from millions of americans in this country, who by the way some are democrats, some are republicans, some are green party. when you talk about lifting people and making america great again, you can t do it on the backs of the working class in this country. there s nothing the president has presented thus far democrats should agree with. awe drawn, we listed a bunch of really outstanding issues, healthcare, taxes, the spending bill. as a republican what do you want the president and your gop lawmakers to focus on most? what should be the priority? well, i wish they hadn t of jumped on obamacare. look, the democrats are going to have to own it. if it continues to go back, more of them are going to want to try to work with the republicans to fix it. i think first off they should have worked on tax reform. you get the corporate tax rate down, you start creating more dollars within our country, creating new opportunities, you repatriate the dollars not on our shores, give them a great flat rate to get them to bring the money back into our country if they invest it, those things will continue to help new people come into the workforce, and that will continue to grow his base. taking on healthcare is a much longer, i think difficult program, but the tax right off the bat they should have gone after the tax reform because that affects everybody, if not directly at least indirectly. all right. andre bauer, nina turner. our thanks to both of you. we appreciate you. have a great rest of the weekend. thank you. you too. a political shocker overseas. election day for 47 million registered voters in france. that is an election that could have an impact on all of us around the world many now, this was just round one in their choice for president today. when all of the ballots were counted, two candidates were left standing. surprisingly, neither of them were from the political establishment. a former banker and relative unknown named emmanuel macron has a slight reid right now over the far right political veteran marine le pen. one will eventually be the next french president. reaction here on the streets of paris. people unhappy with the first round results, clashing with french police who fired tear gas to break up the crowds there. cnn senior international correspondent jim bittermann is in northern france tonight where supporters of marine le pen are v celebrating. reporter: ana, i m not sure the word got out to le pen supporters up here in france, up in the northeast corner of the country, that in fact their candidate came in second. they re acting like it was a big victory, and i guess it is probably warranted in the sense that there was some feeling that perhaps support for her was weakening at the end of the campaign and she might not make it to the second round. obviously she has, and now these folks feel that they have a chance to bring the campaign around to the french people and get her beyond the 50% mark when it comes to voting for president in just two weeks time. now, she s going to have an uphill battle because there are if you do the math with the other parties, she s got a lot of numbers working against her. she will have to bring around a number of voters from the mainstream parties, and it is unlikely that they will do that but we don t know that for sure. she s going to center this campaign of her foreign policy advisor, on issues like globalization, like europe and like immigration and unemployment. all of those issues have a great deal of appeal up here in this part of france where unemployment is running 17 or 18%. ana, back to you. we ll keep watching. thank you, jim bittermann reporting from france. right now north korea is detaining an american professor named tony kim. in response the pentagon issued a harsh new warning to the rogue nation. coming up next, we ll ask a former ambassador how the tough talk might go over with north korea s leader, kim jong-un. you re live in the cnn newsroom. back in a moment. do you play? 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again, we don t know what their reasoning is for his detention, but do you think they re trying to send a message? i think they re looking for as many bargaining chips as possible in any type of upcoming talks between china, the united states, north korea and some of its allies regarding north korea s nuclear program. so they re really trying to get as many bargaining chips as possible to make it more difficult for the united states. now, ambassador, president trump just this week was reportedly involved in pushing egypt to release that egyptian american aid worker. do you think that could have sent some kind of an unintentional message perhaps to north korea? well, i think that s totally unrelated. closer relations with ee yipt ayipt egypt and the two presidents met and discussed the case, so it was a gesture of good will between egypt and the united states. there s no good will between the united states and north korea. so if you were to advise the president, how should he approach this, in particular with the detained americans? i think we re just going to have to set that aside. i mean we re going to be doing everything we can, using our other channels to seek his release, to make sure he is treated well, along with the other two americans being held. in the meantime, we have really got to figure out a way in which we can get north korea to the bargaining table to talk about its nuclear program. really, it is going to involve many other countries, china, south korea, japan as well, and maybe even russia. they ve had talks before but they ve broken down. the problem is that north korea is and china have really been insisting on talks first before they stop their efforts on developing a nuclear weapon. the united states for the past many years has been saying, you stop developing your nuclear weapon first and then we ll talk. well, that approach has not gotten us anywhere. in fact, north korea is almost looking at libya and saying, look what gadhafi did, he gave up his nuclear weapons and what happened? the west ousted him. they re saying their weapons, they have an ace card to keep south korea, the united states from invading north korea. also this weekend there was another few development. north korea threatened to take out a u.s. eric carrier. the pentagon responded tonight that with a harsh new warning and i quote, we call on north korea to refrain from provocative, destabilizing actions and rhetoric, and to make the strategic choice to fulfill its international obligations and commitments and return to serious talks, end quote. so, ambassador, how much weight do pentagon warning like this carry with north korea s leader? i think both sides are firing, you know, diplomatic bluster and military gestures and tough talk at each other. the reality is, for instance, north korea says they ll wipe out the united states. they don t have a nuclear weapon yet that s capable of being launched and sent to the united states. they don t have the ability you don t think so? well, they don t have that capability yet, but that s the problem. we don t want them to get to that point. that s why it is so important and urgent that we help that we stop their development of a nuclear weapon before it gets to the point where we really have fewer options. and so that s why there s going to have to be some sort of grand bargain involving the entire security of north korea, the amount of american troops in south korea, protection of north korea by china, and everything else. so north korea is going to have to see a lot from the united states and its allies if it is going to stop developing a nuclear weapon because they re afraid if they get rid of their nuclear weapons or the development of a nuclear weapon, what s to stop america or south korea from immediately invading north korea? they saw what happened to muammar gadhafi when he gave up his nuclear weapons. he s gun and the west took him out. so they re afraid that that could happen to them. sadly, i don t think this is going to be the last conversation we have about north korea, but we would love to have you back as we continue to follow developments there. ambassador gary locke, thank you for joining us. president trump says he is ready to announce his tax reform plan this week. millions who have filled out those irs forms looking for a big refund hope it will soon mean more money in their pockets. we will ask ben stein what he would like to see in the president s plan here in the cnn newsroom ke the job, all these benefits are yours. the world s 2nd most decorated sushi chef. i m trying to get the first. over here we have quiet spaces for deep thoughts. the latest smart technology. and of course, personal mobility solutions. for joining us. president s plan here in the cnn newsroom cnn newsroom . president trump says we re going to get some details on wednesday about his tax reform plan. the president says individuals and businesses will receive a massive tax cut. of course, that depends on congress passing this tax plan. so let s talk taxes with ben stein. he is a renowned economist, actor and comedian. ben, the current tax code is very complicated as you know. what is the number one thing that needs to be changed or tackled first? i would say raise taxes on the rich and also eliminate the corporate income tax. there s no reason to have the corporate income tax. they should get rid of it. raise taxes on the rich. republicans are going to say no, we can t raise taxes. i mean really rich. i mean on the really rich, not on medium rich. i mean on people earning 10 or 20 million a year, like the people who live in my neighborhood. they deserve to have higher taxes. so what would you say is a fair compromise then for those who believe that if you give that money back to people or low he taxes, in fact, on the rich is what president trump s tax plan is proposing in order to pump more money into the economy? there s already plenty of money in the economy. we re running something like a $500 billion deficit, and veterans are still even though they say they ended easy money, they haven t. we have tons of money in the economy. there s a tremendous surplus of capital in the economy. this idea you can give money away through tax cuts and somehow get more money into the income tax revenue stream is a fantasy, very much beloved by supply siders and by my fellow republicans, but i m afraid it just does not, would. it would be wonderful if it did work. it would be wonderful if by taxes you could get more income tax revenue, but i m afraid it doesn t work. why do you think the president is introducing this now, given there s a big spending bill showdown expected at the end of the week? is this the right time to introduce this reform? well, think he s doing it because he s promised he would do it and he s trying to keep his promises. he made a certain number of fairly big promises, he is trying to keep as many as he can. i think this one was a mistake to promise, but as part of the republican art will kls of faith that you promise a big tax cut. i m an old guy. you said i was renowned, but i m mostly an old guy. i can remember when republican president goes s presidents said we re going to balance the budget and not leave a huge deficit for our grand iron charge. that makes a sense. i have a beloved five-year-old granddaughter. i don t want to leave her a tax deficit. said, we will outline or broad principles and priorities. we are moving forward on comprehensive tax reform that cuts tax rates for individuals, simplifies our overly complicated system and creates jobs by making american businesses competitive. that sounds great. who doesn t want what s in that statement. sure does. if it were that easy, it would have been done already, right? well, there s a line and a very famous ernest hemingway novel which ends with wouldn t it be pretty to think so. it would be very pretty to think he can get this done and it would accomplish all of the things he says. look, we already have a very, very prosperous economy. the economy is not really in terrible shape at all, not in the slightest. what we need is to have a society which is kinder and fairer, especially to the homeless and to the very poor and to those deprived of a decent education. we do not need a society which allows the rich to be even richer. by the way, i have nothing against the rich. i love them all. almost all of my friends are rich, i love them all, but i don t see any reason to have any kind of special incentives for them. and the poor or the lower middle class are already paying almost no tax, so i think, as i say, cutting the corporate income tax is a great idea. we shouldn t have had that in the first place, but cutting tax on the very rich or even the medium rich, i don t see the point. but you talked about the deficit. and if you cut the corporate income tax, what does it do to the deficit? well, but my idea would be the income that would be taxed at the corporate level would be tax educated to the owners of the corporation. i mean all corporations, contrary to what elizabeth warren says, corporations are not owned by soulless aliens from outer space. they re owned by individual human beings, especially pension funds and individual people saving for their retirement, and they would have to pay taxes on that income and they should pay taxes on it. there s no reason to have that intermediate step. that intermediate step was put in during world war ii to raise more revenue. they should have taken it out after world war ii. that could be one way to simplify the tax code. i m wondering because it seems there s so many different pieces, could this legislation be done in more of a step-by-step process. yes. a little bit at a time? yes. and i think mr. trump he is a great guy and i m one of those people who voted for him and would vote for him again, but i think it is an enormously more complicated than he realized and it has to be done step by step. there s no reason he has to rate to get anything done in 100 days. there s no special magic getting things done in 100 days just because f.d.r. did a lot in 100 days. a lot of it was ruled later to be unconstitutional. let s do it right, not in a hurry. ben stein. thank you. thank you. coming up, president trump instead of attending next weekend s white house correspondent s dinner plans to hold a rally in pennsylvania on the same night. is is this the president sending a message to the media? 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i think a lot of things with president trump are about popularities. about ratings. a great washington post story out today about his continued focus on television coverage of his presidency. he commented to someone about sean spicer. why would i fire sean spicer, he gets great rating. it is counter programming. it is a classic counter programming move to hold a prime time rally, normally on saturday nights the president is at one of his hotels having dinner or at mar-a-lago or at home quietly at the white house, not even twooting usually on saturday nights. he is choosing to have a unit coulder programming move. but there is one historical example of this. remember last january when the president was campaigning, he was about to be in the iowa caucus, was early on in the primary season and he skipped the fox debate. instead he did this. he held a fund raiser in iowa right across the street from the debate site and he very publicly had a counter programming event because he didn t attend the debate. it is kind of similar this saturday night. so do you think he chose pennsylvania in particular for a specific reason? i think it makes sense for him to go to a state where he was where he won on november 8th, a state that some people were surprise willed he was able to win. he continued to the extent he does visit states outside of washington or florida he is going to places where he has unwith, wheu won, where he has been successful. this will be his 100th day in office when he is going to do this. how does it stack up or compare to past presidents on their 100th day? right. we do so presidents in the past want to mark this occasion, mostly an artificial deadline but one everybody takes seriously with various events. we ve seen the president s schedule for this week, jam packed with events, with meetings and perhaps with announcements, maybe even more executive orders, all in an attempt to create this sense of momentum and success heading into next weekend. that might be as we re showing earlier, you were showing the scoreboard, certainly a work in progress for the president. he s not going to be able to escape the critical headlines about what he hasn t been able to accomplish yet, but he is going to try to create a sense of momentum this week. i m curious. is the 100th day in office typically when they hold the white house correspondent s dinner or did it end up being this way? usually around that time. sometime in april is the dinner. the president usually is there. they usually get made fun of from the podium by some comedian, some will folks speculated president trump didn t want to be in the room for that kind can of ribbing so he decided to have a different event. i want to pivot just to the former president, president obama for a moment because he s coming out and having his first public event this week in chicago tomorrow morning. what do you know about this? this is so intriguing he has decided to have this first event on the same week everyone is talking about trump s first 100 days. his aids probably will say it is a coincidence. our colleague athena jones is reporting it is not meant to be a trump bashing by president obama, but it might come up at various points, comparisons between obama s presidency and trump presidency. he will be in students. there will be a chance probably for gentle questioning with students. it puts him in a room with people he enjoyed being with during his presidency, what he thought of as the next generation. he would speak to students and the young people about not being cynical. i would expect to hear it from him tomorrow. this will get a lot of coverage. he has most been seen in paparazzi pictures, on vacation. picture of him and his wife on the yacht last week. absolutely. looked dreamy. a lot of former presidents want to get away. in the social media age we see it. it is in our social feeds all the time. we have seen the vacation pictures. when he s not on camera he has been working on his memoire that he s being paid tens of millions of dollars for. brian stelter, stand by. will you will be back. coming up our colleague alison camerota speaks out about the culture at fox news saying she was sexually harassed by roger ailes and was asked to meet him at a hotel. you will hear her story next in the cnn newsroom. flavors,l colors or sweeteners, plus 10 grams of protein and 25 vitamins & minerals. it doesn t get better than this. boost® simply complete™. what twisted ankle?ask what muscle strain? 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and that s a smoked sausage commercial made the johnsonville way. forward now. it felt like there was a tipping point this week. you know, when roger ailes was ousted in july there was a lot of talk about what the culture was there, and now with bill o reilly having been fired it feels as though i take the murdochs at their word they want to know what was wrong there and what the cull can tour was like. i don t know how you get that from silence. it feels like this might be the right time to just have this conversation and let some daylight in. and you said on the air bill o reilly never harassed you, but you didn t say it about roger ailes. did roger ailes ever sexual l harass you? yes, roger ailes did sexually harass me. let me be clear. roger ailes was, could be charming, he could be quite charismatic, he could be uproariously funny. he could also be a bit of a bully and mean, and he also was often kind of fwrogrossly inappropriate with things he would say. i think many of us experienced that. he would talk about body parts. he would say, give me a spin. he would want to be greeted with a hug, but the time that i remember most was when i was first starting out at fox and i was single and i remember roger being in roger s office and i was saying that i wanted more opportunity, and he said, well, i would have to work with you. work with you? i would have to work with you on that case. i would have to work with you really closely. and it may require us getting to know each other better, and that might have to happen away from here, and it might have to happen at a hotel. do you know what i m saying? and i said, yeah, i think i do know what you re saying. and i just want to say that i knew in my head at that moment, i m never going to that hotel under any circumstances, but i didn t know what that meant for me and for my career. and i remember vividly that i had sort of an out-of-body experience hovering us in the office and thinking, is this it, is this the end of my time here, will i be fired if i don t to this? and i just want everybody to understand that when it happens, there is a visceral reaction that you have where you recognize, my career and everything that i ve worked for is under threat and i don t know what is going to happen next. and you end up then doing what? well, i just went home and i at any time didn t tell anybody at the time because i was embarrassed and it is sort of humiliating. embarrassed? it is embarrassing when you know, when this man that you ve gone to tell about your strengths and to sort of see if he thinks that you re doing a good job at work, you know, makes that sort of proposition, it is demeaning and it is humiliating. and so i was sort of embarrassed to tell people, and i i decided personally, and everybody deals with it differently, i m going to ignore that. i m going to pretend that never happened. he then changed his mo, and when i say that there was harass i experienced harassment there, it was different. for me it was no longer sexual harassment, it was harassment of a different variety. what do you mean? it was sort of emotional harassment. roger ailes ruled with with an iron fist, and he wanted us all to fall in line and have his world view and say the things that he wanted us to say on fox news, and he targeted me because he sort of figured out earl willy y on that i didn t share his world view. roger was the king and obviously everything trickled down from him. so when he said grossly inappropriate things about women s bodies, there was a feeling there that then that s more appropriate and you re not going to get in trouble for that. so on that level he certainly had an impact in terms of the culture and the feeling there. i mean i think that there was a lot of suffering in silence people who felt intimidated, but let s talk about it and what s unacceptable and how bad it feels to be on the receiving end of it. i don t know. i think this is a turning point. and so if that s everything that happened at fox is valuable in that way, i hope that people are more free to speak there and everywhere now. roger ailes denies allison s account and his lawyer said these are false allegations. mr. ailes never engage d in the inappropriate conversations. she clims occurred and denies this fictional account of her interactions with him and on fox news editorial follpolicy. want to bring back host of e revival sources. she also talked about emotional harassment. some in paz ways and other in negative ways. hen ran the network like a dictator in many ways. sails would lecture her and assault her to try to tow a conservative line opposed to being neutral and covering with different perspectives. she was talking about that. what i was so struck by in her comments deciding for the first time to share this account of sexual assault is that it lines up consistently with what other women said happened inside roger ailes office. by the end, sheen wouldn t go to the office alone because she didn t want to be bullied or intimidated in any sort of way. i think the story it has repercussions not just for women that work in television but people in all sorts of workplaces that when they are younger, they are treated a certain way. they don t have the ability to speak up. fox says there s a hot line and have instituted new training and trying to clean up the workplace. ailes has left, bill o reilly has left. the testimony about roger ailes and his behavior speaks about why perhaps bill o reilly was there for so long. he was the highest rated star on the network for a long time. now all of a a sudden he s out of a job. so is the man who was employing him. it is a dramatic sweeping change on camera and off camera. are you hearing there s a cultural shift? that s what the company is trying to say. they still have more problems. there are other pending lawsuits and most importantly a federal investigation. the justice department looking into fox s practices and the settlement payments and other matters involving fox news. whether they want to follow through on that investigation remains to be scene. there s been a grand jury empanelled looking into the behavior the network. it s what many women have described. brian, thank you. some sad news to report this evening. kate obeirne has passed away. she s been a part of the cnn family as a member of the long-running political discussion program the cnn capital gain. she was known for her strong conservative positions and biting whit. she was a great journal skpis writing about her and national review one remembrance described her as brilliant and hilarious and generous and good. she will be missed. we ll with with right back. 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everybody. what more can you tell us about this? you were given this information or permission by the senator or by his family in order to broadcast this? yes, they with his permission, i spoke to the doctors they ask that i talk to the doctors get the information about what happened. we know that on friday morning he went to the doctor s basically for a scheduled annual physical exam. he was complaining a bit of fatigue and said he s been feeling tired over the last few months. he also had a bout of double vision. but because of those things his doctors decided to order a cat scan of his brain. this is all friday this happened. it was that cat scan and an a subsequent mri scan of the vain that revealed this abnormality. it was concerning enough that urgently, within the next couple of hours, the doctors took him to the operating room, they per performed the incision in the left eyebrow area, removed some intone they believed they removed the entire tumor they could see from the area of the left front of his brain. this is a glee owe blas toe ma. it s the same type of tumor that senator kennedy had, that bo biden had. it is an aggressive type of brain cancer. so senator mccain and his family are dealing with the news and trying to decide the next steps in terms of treatment. he is at home, he was able to go home the next day after surgery. he had a rapid recovery. the doctors told me after he woke up from the anesthesia, he was alert, sharp, able to tell you what year it was. he was making jokes with the recovery room staff. but again it takes a few days for these diagnoses to come back because the pathologist has to review it and this is what they found. what are the potential next steps? well, this is one of those types of tumors that is it doesn t have a particular cure. there s not a type of treatment you can say is going to likely lead to cure. the types of treatments typically are a combination of che che chemo therapy and radiation to his brain. this is a discussion i m sure senator mccain and his family are going to have with doctors as how to proceed and when to proceed. just recovering from this operation can take a couple weeks, but to begin this therapy, radiation, chemotherapy. they have to wait three to four weeks until after the operation. he had the operation in arizona, at the mayo clinic there. this is a dumb question, but is this a tumor or is it more than that? this is a tumor. it is a type of brain tumor. it s a tumor that comes from the brain as opposed to types of tumors that come from somewhere else in the body and spread to his brain. this started in his brain. people were concerned about the melanoma having spread. but this is not a melanoma. this is a malignant cancer. what that means, you operate on this, it needs to be treated as well with chemotherapy and radiation. the concern is it will come back. that s the big concern with these type of tumors. in order to try to give him the best chance at that, it is likely he ll undergo further treatments in the next several weeks. i want you to stay with us. david axle rod is also joining us and gloer ya borjer. this is very devastating news for senator mccain and his family. very tough news to hear for everybody. he was first elected to the senate in 1986, more than 30 years ago. for the impact he has had, and continues to have, on the senate is not to be overstated. it s remarkable and don t forget he ran for the presidency twice and he told me he once came in second place, which wasn t good enough. you know, john mccain is a fighter. i think we all know that, all of us tonight. and, you know, this is a man who survived fire on the forest, shot out of a plane, would you say tortured, five years in a pow camp, melanoma. we ve been talking to folks close to mccain. he s been on the phone talking about his statements on health care and continuing to work. if i know john mccain he s going to want to get back to work as soon as possible and want to continue to do what he does best, which is represent the people of arizona. and be the lion that he is in the united states senate. you covered capitol hill for a long time, talk about the influence senator mccain has there and within the republican party. i interviewed him a number of times, he has a great sense of humor and is engaged in not just domestic issues but international. the only people who can call people little jerks and mean that as a term of indeerment, which he does. there is nobody who is the kind of fighter that john mccain is, never mind all the things he went through in vie yet nam, the melanoma he had in 2000, but that he s going constantly. warp speed always. you mention it had impact he had in the senate, a huge impact. but he has a huge impact globally. just this year alone, anderson, 75,000 miles to 15 nations across three continents he logged. i was talking to chris coons who went back to vietnam with john mccain and talked about the fact that chris coons, who s about 30 years younger than john mccain. he had to change his own schedule because he couldn t keep up with mccain. and the way he said mccain is revered by leaders across the country, even especially in vietnam, which was really interesting. b but covering mccain in the senate and i covered his presidential campaign in 2008 from start to finish. he has a fighter pilot s mentally which is you keep going and keep going. you don t look back, you don t think about regrets, because we all have them. but you keep going. that is his m.o.. there s no question knowing him and the way he likes to fight and he s probably also telling his joke that is he told on the campaign trail, in the words of chairman mow, it s always darkest before it s black. anybody who can survive what he did with his brothers in arms he spent years there under excruciating conditions. he is a fighter and he also in so many ways he s one of those politicians that transcends party lines. he does. i spent an hour with him the initial ax files on cnn with john mccain. and to hear him tell the story of his captivity and those very dismal years but the strength he drew from that experience and the lessons he drew from that experience was incredibly moving. yes, he s one of those people who has over the last 30 years found a way to work across party lines on issues like immigration reform, climate change. it didn t always make him popular with the base of the republican party. but even on the health care issues, as he was waiting for this diagnosis, he was issuing statements on bipartisan health care. i think that s who john mccain is. when i sat here listening to you and sanjay read that news, discuss that news, i thought of his friend ted kennedy, who eight years ago eight or nine years ago got a diagnosis like this and continued to fight through it, worked through it. but two those worked together on many, many issues. and, in fact, john mccain spoke at ted kennedy s memorial service. there aren 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and vitamin d. one a day women s in gummies and tablets. yet at what is on the president s mind, the russian probe the man in charnl of it had to recuse himself. the president spoke to the new york times. the headline only hints at how much news he made. he expresses anger with comey and sessions and mueller. this interview is something. i want to start with what he told you about attorney general sessions. what did he say? he was clearly frustrated with jeff sessions he said that he would not have appointed him if he had known that he would recuse himself from anything russia related. he would have appointed somebody else. we know that donald trump has been angry with jeff sessions for quite some time, but it was a pretty remarkable statement for him to make on the record, for him to vent his ooire that y and make clear that he considers what jeff sessions did, which was a recusal because he was concerned about a conflict to be praum problematic he faulted sessions for turning an easy question into a hard one at the senate confirmation hearing. it s a sentiment a fair number of critics agree with. he also said that if sessions hadn t recused himself there wouldn t have ended up being a special counsel, is that right. he did. a couple weeks ago the president s anger with sessions was really at the root of what he was saying had to do with other issues. he believed if sessions had not recused himself from russian there would be no rod rosenstein stepping up, no special counsel appointed. it is all the original sin from there. he was less about mueller but he was clear that he believed mueller had a number of conflict of interest one of which trump aides talked about for quite some time was that they say that bob mueller interviewed as interim fbi director the by the way day before he was appointed special counsel. they consider that a mitigating factor to put it mildly. the president refused to say what he would consider a violation of the charge on the part of bob mueller. he wouldn t answer it. but he believes mueller s charge is on russia and he doesn t believe he s under investigation. he doesn t believe he is personally under investigation by bob mueller. that s what he said. he also had choice words for former fbi director james comey. he did. he said any number of choice words about james comey for some time. but he was very specific that he, you know, believed that comey was trying to essentially get leverage over him with that dossier, making all sorts of wild allegations about president trump and his appearance in russia in 2013. you know, he as we know, he was not happy with comey for quite some time, long before he actually fired him. there had been some belief that he might fire him immediately upon taking office. but i will say his frustration was less trained on comey than on sessions today. the allegation against comey, this goes back to the meeting when u.s. intelligence officials at the time briefed then president elect trump in trump tower and as comey has testified, comey pulled him aside after the meeting and told him about the existence of this dossier or two-page summary of thises dossier, the president saying he believes comey did that to get leverage to keep his job. essentially comey wanted to keep his job and that was the point in showing it to him. again, the president feels sort of vindicated as i think you have seen him say publically, that comey had to acknowledge under oath that he had told the president three times he was under investigation, he said he would not say that publically because it might change. the president doesn t accept that as an answer and was very frustrated that comey wouldn t say it publically. again, i think his frustration with the dossier continues and this was a piece of that. the white house went after cnn and others who reported that comey had briefed the president about the existence of the dossier and the two-panl summary of the dossier. i remember having a conversation with kellyanne conway where they seemed not to know it happened or denied it had happened. so the president is confirming, as has been confirmed already, that it did occur. it s fascinating to hear his perspective why that briefing took place with comey he thinks. and the second conversation with putin he said it lasted only 15 minutes. i have to go back and check the transcript what was said i just raid ead it he said 1 minutes because we have other sources that were there that said about an hour. he was adamant with that time frame, which was consistent with what white house officials said yesterday about this second get together. he was not defining it in his mind as an actual meeting. he told a long and elaborate story about sitting next to japan s prime minister s wife. he got up to see his own wife next to putin. they started talking. he did say the topic of russian adoption came up when he was talking to putin at the newer meeting. the topic of russian adoption, as you recall, was supposedly part of the subject of this meeting that the president s son, don junior had with the russian lawyer on june 9, 2016, one that was ultimately billed as dirt against hillary clinton. so it was surprising that came up, i have no reason to believe that it was anything other than coincidence. but the adoption relates to sanctions. it sounds like he didn t mention it, it be sounds like putin mentioned it. so if putin mentioned it, they re talking about sanctions. that was my read, but i don t want to get ahead of what the president said in his remarks. how does his demeanor seem? incredibly upbeat. when i contrast him on air force one last week and today with some of what we saw earlier in the administration, for whatever reason, he seems to be in a pretty good place. fascinating reporting as always. thank you. thank you. one other notable item from the interview, asked if mr. mueller s investigation would cross a red line if it looked at his family s finances. he said, i would say yes. he was asked what he would do, he said listen this is about russia. your panel is back. gloria, have you ever heard of a time when the president of the united states says such things about the attorney general, who he appointed, an oig who wttorn who was one of his earliest supporters, campaigned for him? no, his earliest supporter somebody who was with him every step of the way and i think what you heard in hearing maggie and in reading this remarkable piece in the new york times is that this is a president who s very angry at a lot of people who work for him, i made a list, jeff sessions, comey who used to work for him, andrew mccain, rod rosenstein, and of course special counsel mueller who he is not directly threatening but saying you have a lot of conflicts out there. so this is a list of. vegrieve enss. even though he was upbeat in mood, you could hear the grievance in the new york times piece. i talk to people who talk regularly with the president for months and we were told this is something he will not let go for months, his anger and ire at jeff sessions for recusing himself. if you remember, go back to his tweet, one of the first tweets he sent that got him as n big trouble as president it was the saturday morning after jeff sessions recused himself where the president tweeted that president obama was tapping trump tower. it was donald trump lashing out in furry, you know, maybe pointing his anger in the wrong direction, but that was where all of that came from. from jeff sessions recusing himself. and since then, as the president himself has now said in public on the record to the new york times. so many bad things for him have stemmed from that recusal. having said all that it s one thing to hear about private conversations the president has about his attorney general and how upset he is, it s another thing to throe jeff sessions under the bus and then put it in reverse and come back and do it again in the new york times. this isn t a former attorney general. this is a sitting oig. the person who he put in charge. and as i you said anderson, a guy who went out on a very big limb to endorse president trump. and that gave him credibility with the republican base in the campaign. does this mean that sessions needs to resign or something? i don t think so. donald trump operates by his own rules. jeff sessions is the attorney general. i m going to see on friday he s going to be giving a talk in philadelphia. he will continue pushing for longer prison sentences for more civil forfeiture, it s a bizarre situation, there s no doubt about that. but he is still the attorney general, he will continue to do what he s doing, advancing an agenda, which is basically donald trump s agenda but just under this weird cloud. i don t think he has to resign. if he had any dignity he would. i think he should resign. first of all, i d have to talk to maggie, i don t think it s in the report, but was this unsew listed? was it in response to a question. he may have been asked about something. i think to his point, why give this interview today of all days where health care is obviously the thing this is right after the lunch with the senators about health care. that s the other thing. nobody stands up to donald trump. we had him humiliate senator helder at that lunch and then he does this. i d love to see jeff sessions walk away at this point and on principle walk away. what s the the principle? i think go ahead. i think i think one of the reasons he went after jeff sessions is he blames jeff sessions for the rabbit hole of the russia investigation as he sees it. he said jeff sessions s led to the special counsel. he said jeff sessions is the one person who actually did the right thing. what jeff sessions did in that moment was honorable. but if you look at it i agree with you, but if you look at it from the president s point of view, the point he made to the times is okay if you wanted to recuse yourself and you knew all along that you couldn t deal with russia, tell me before i made you attorney general. he thinks that jeff sessions works for him. exactly. i agree with you. but i m telling you i m channelling the president here as hard as that is, but that s his point of view. that s right. e he thinks everybody works for him. the presidency, the white house is about him. he doesn t care about health care he can have a nice lunch and elbow some people in the ribs he doesn t care about the agenda that jeff sessions is implementing as the head of the department of justice, he views him as his personal lawyer and he s not doing his job. he doesn t see the mueller investigation as an independent investigation. he wants mueller to know he retains the right to get rid of him if he cross it is line. say what you will about donald trump you know what s on his mind. he doesn t sugar coat it. it s clear. he approaches its like a job interview. if you knew before you took the job you were going to recuse yourself, you should have told me before i gave you the job. that s right. and, you know, there is a corner of what trump says that makes a certain amount of sense. what really led sessions to recuse himself is that convoluted and false answer he gave which the president criticized him. to al frank from minnesota. he which he denied meeting any russians. which put sessions under the russia investigation, which meant he did have to recuse himself. there s no doubt that sessions made the right choice, the ethical choice in recusing himself. but that led to the mueller investigation, which is plaguing donald trump. he was on the campaign. he was a surrogate for donald trump. so even had that not happened, he probably still should have recused himself from this case. i think jeff sessions in that case did the right thing and that s what he s being attacked for. it s also interesting that he s accusing former fbi director comey basically trying to leverage the dossier to try and keep his job. do we have any evidence to suggest this actually happened, beside the president leveling this accusation? no, we don t. because comey testified about this, explaining why he felt he should give the information to the president. that he worried that if my memory serves me correct, that down the road the president finds out about it and he thinks they kept it from him, that wouldn t be fair. that s right. and that s what i was thinking about when you were asking me that question, james comey s tom this issue and the question of why he decided to pull the president-elect aside because he wasn t yet the president, when they briefed him in trump tower and give him this information and the fact that that that the president s then president-elect s reaction was so unbelievable that he had to run down to his car, pull out his laptop and write it in a way that he could remember and retain the contemporaneous notes but do it in a way that wasn t classified. there s no question about that. if memory serves me, and i might be wrong about that, but it was a decision by all the intelligence heads that comey would be the one to do this. right. i m not sure it was comey saying i want to be the one to do it because maybe this will give me leverage. that s true. now at the time the intelligence heads the others were obama appointees because he wasn t president. maybe it made sense because he was the guy staying on because he had a ten-year term. comey sin insists he did it for the right reasons. he felt if this was out there he wants the president to have a heads up about it, not because he was warning the president if he fires james comey it s going to get out there. it doesn t really make a whole lot of sense, but having said that i think taip take a step back. this comey story, the jeff sessions story and more recently mueller. you have such a sense in this interview about where the president s mind is. he is obsessing about these things. some of the things that he can t change that happened before, you know, really many months ago with comey, a guy he already fired. about feeling betrayed by his current attorney general and not having control over the current special prosecutor. and what are we talking about now we re talking about russia and we re doing it because it is the president of the united states who just blew a whole tank of oxygen into the story. you also get the sense this is a president who believes that everybody is out to get him. and talking about mueller, look he interviewed for fbi director. you know, i didn t give him that job now he has this and democrats working for him. rod rosenstein comes from maryland everybody knows there aren t a lot of republicans in maryland. andrew mccabe s wife gave money to the democrat policy. so it s not about mueller s qualifications or rod rosenstein s qualifications. it s about where he sees them on the spectrum and it s black and white, they re either with me or against me. and we should say maggie said he seemed upbeat, when we talk about obsessing and stuff, according to to maggie he seems in a good head space. that was the report that i got from several republicans who were in the health care meeting that he had with all republican senators. that he was jovial, that he tweaked senators like rand paul stop going after republicans on tv, maybe i should take you golfing to get you off tv for three days. but this particular issue he seizes on it and expands it. any professional would tell you stop talking about it he can t. the white house efforts to down play the second meeting between the president and vladimir putin at the g20 meeting, more on that ahead. when heartburn hits fight back fast with new tums chewy bites. fast relief in every bite. crunchy outside. chewy inside. tum tum tum tum new tums chewy bites. so, if anyone has a reason that these two should not be wed, speak now. 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what do we know. that is definite. he will be appearing on monday. it s a closed session before the snal senate intelligence committee. the questions although we won t see it play out in public. it will likely include what he knew about the meeting at trump tower and senators will probably drilled into why jared kushner has amended his security form at least twice now. to disclose meetings with the russian ambassador, the chairman of the bank and the june 2016 meeting. so a lot of questions there, but that one while it s definite it will playout behind closed doors when jared kushner goes before the senate intelligence committee. thanks for that. the white house gave another one of their no cameras allowed press briefings today. they used some of it to talk about the president s previously revealed meeting with vladimir putin. it seems silly, said sarah huckabee-sanders, that we would disclose a dinner that he was already participating in. keep in mind the dinner isn t the issue, that was known. the meeting was not and the white house made it no effort to make it known. it s one in a string of previously unknown contacts big and small and people in donald trump s circle and russias. the undisclosed meeting with jeff sessions, michael flynn, it goes on. we re focussing tonight on the latest. it s important to point out this is what presidents do, meet with foreign leaders however after wards they do not conceal the meeting while pretending there s nothing unusual about concealing it. what s also not normal is the time of the meeting. not even another interpret orwas present. putting the quote from sarah huckabee-sanders in context because it s a bold claim to make. it s a bold claim to make but in line with what the white house was doing all day. saying this was a normal meeting, something that was not a surprise. the reality is the white house only disclosed this last night, 11 days after the meeting because it had already leaked out. it was not a normal meeting. they were having a dinner but the fact that the president was there having dinner sitsing next to the japanese prime minister. that s why the translator only spoke japanese. he was not intended to speak with the russian president that evening. they spoke earlier in the day for some two hours and 15 minutes. all eyes were on that meeting but it seems they had more to talk about. but this is what sarah huckabee-sanders said at the press briefing. they had a conversation, i m not going to get into the conversation. again this was a social dinner where the president spoke with many world leaders as is the purpose. i think it would be awkward for them to all sit at a dinner and not speak to each other. i would imagine all of you would agree with that. it seems silly we would disclose a dinner that he tha we had announced to you as participating in. yes, we knew he was at dinner with the other world leaders at the g20 summit but it was the fact he had a separate conversation that drew the attention of other world leaders that they were spending time together at the exclusion of other allies, but the white house would not say what they talked about during the meeting. president trump revealed more about what he said was in the meeting with president putin and put forth a new time line, basically saying it was much shorter. right he said the meeting was some 15 minutes or so to the new york times. i asked last night, a top administration official if the meeting was an hour long because that s what the people were saying that broke this story. and they said nearly an hour. the president saying 15 minutes. we know they stayed at that venn knew until midnight, long after it was scheduled. so i m not sure the 15 minutes is accurate. we ve seen story after story not necessarily the real story. the white house would not tell us today the length of the meet meting we asked sarah huckabee-sanders about that, she would not say how long it was or what they talked about. the reason it makes a difference is because there is no u.s. record of what happened at the meeting and a translator was only by the russian government. it s highly extraordinary, unusual to have a conversation like that between adversaries without having at least a translator from your own government there to make sure things aren t mixed up, confused and that was not the case. appreciate the update. joining us now is ian bremer and thomas pickering. rey ian the white house released an official statement calling this a brief conversation minutes after that an unnamed senior white house official told jeff zelenys after close to an hour. you have sources inside the room, do you know how long this was? yeah look the reason i found out about it is because a number of the 2: g20 allies were unnerved by the fact that trump s best meeting and best chemistry, clearly closest relationship among all these countries is with putin. it was the fact it was in front of all these people, it wasn t by himself. he s putting on display this very engaged, e ner jet ik, one hour conversation that apparently the senior white house official also confirmed to you, trump saying 15 minutes is unfortunately just not credible as we ve seen on so many of these issues on the u.s. russia discussion. in terms of other details, where in the room was it? other people were around other world leaders were around watching this you said? yes, there were a lot of empty seats because a number of the leaders and spouses didn t actually come. so as a consequence, true doe s wife was seated by hergs with empty seats on either side. i believe there was an empty seat near putin. so trump gets up leaves the japanese prime minister, the meal is 3 1/2 hours long. trump goes over to putin, my understanding it was at the table or right next to it and started engaging in this conversation, which now he hear is about adoption, read sanctions, and frankly, who knows what else. ambassador, when you hear the details, there s a big difference between a 15-minute meeting in which pleasantries can be exchanged and a discussion of nearly an hour. do you see a difference in that? do you believe there is? i do anderson. i think it s self-evident p. i think ian made it very clear. my sense is a conversation that long is probably half interpretation time and half statements on each side. that s still a half hour. a half hour is long time in international conversation. and talking about critical subjects can consume a half an hour very easily. i think we re now seeing some of the results of that. i understand that the syrian rebels are no longer going to be supported by the united states. one wonders where that came from and how it fit in either to that context or perhaps other things that one way or another are part of the u.s./russian dialogue. i think it s important not to, in fact, let the message here be the problem so much as understanding that it is important for putin and trump to talk, were there allied jealousies and it was unwise to do this in front of allies, but allied je lieied je low sis asi, they ve been in a deep hole. if putin and trump can dig us out in a serious way, fine. but it doesn t look like we have the great deal maker at work here if, in fact, we re ceasing something that was in our interest and in our way of dealing with the syrian problem was to support the opposition to assad, who we would like to see gone. so those are important pieces to look at. i think we don t know, we ll perhaps find out, we perhaps won t find out if there s no u.s. record. it s interesting that president trump telling maggie haberman that the issues of adoption came up, obviously on the russian he was saying it came up, i m not sure if he means he brought it up or putin brought it up. if putin did, adoption for russia means sanctions. clearly putin has been talking about the need to remove the sanctions for some time. another interesting point to the very appropriate one tom just brought up. is the russians have given the americans an ultimatum, they want these properties back and they re not do going to engage in a deal for them. and in the last few days we hear they re close with the trump administration to get these properties back. again, is there a qid for that quo. was this discussed between trump and putin privately. the russians were the only ones with a read out of that conversation. i think all of that is problematic for the united states and russia. i think one of my big concerns is that trump gets played here. he doesn t have his national security advisor or team he doesn t have any expertise on this issue. in the same way when he was in saudi arabia, we saw the saudis and others hosting him very well and saying you re a great guy and saying the evil irans and qatar supporting them and then we have a move against qatar and our allies and then tillerson and matson have to clean it up. to what extent is trump operating by himself going to give away the store. that s the concern here. i think people listening to this those people who like president trump say what s the big deal, he should talk to president putin. others who don t like president trump would have concern. have you heard about this happening before where there s not someone with the u.s. president or there was no talking points. i don t know if there were talking points or not. i think what is unusual is not to have one interpret tor from the u.s. side. it may have been it was unplanned and he had the japanese speaking interpret tor, and he thought had had to go and do some business. it was unwise if there were any difference in interpretations, two russians will agree and he will be out there alone. i don t think putin wants to in a sense publically nail him to the wall in a set of verbal arguments at the time, it s not in putin s interest especially if he s doing well. it is extremely unusual to do that. i do know that in the oval office there are often meetings with heads of state in which part of the meeting is a group meeting and part of the meeting is a one-on-one with interpr interpretors if that s necessary. that s to settle carefully prepared business worked up in advance and very much part and parcel of a government clearance process in which they say mr. president we recommend you do this, i agree, or i m going to do something else go prepare that for me. but unprepared and at this stage unverifiable. it has its dangers and one needs to be concerned about that. appreciate you both being on. when we come back more breaking news, we re going to sides up the new cbo numbers on obamacare repeal. does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? 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from my point of view it doesn t, saying we re going to save $470 billion. that s a lot of money and we need to be as cost effective as we can. but the 32 million people that are going to lose their health care are going to be much more expensive than than. what happens to them when they go back to the way they were getting health care before? in west virginia, if you don t have health care, you go to the emergency room. if you re working, you re going to claim worker s comp. so you re using health care at the most expensive level you can. that s money taxpayers are paying. that s exactly. i had every hospital coming to me saying hey, i gave $10 million, $15 million. people came and couldn t pay. so i know the toll it takes in states. over the last 48 hours, president trump talked about repeal and replace, talked about just repealing to let it fail, now back to repeal and replace. what do you make of the president s approach and for you, what is the priority? is it the insurance networks and propping them up? i ve tried to remind the president and the white house, the president got elected with a tremendous margin in west virginia. those were mostly democrats. these were people upset with the previous administration, who thought they wanted a change and unorthodox. they didn t think they were electing somebody partisan like it s been before. so i would say to the president, there s a lot of democrats, a lot of people that are going to be hurt. there s not one demographic group in my state that won t be affected. a lot of people talk about bipartisanship. i talked to governor kasich yesterday about it. do you believe that s possible? we re talking about washington, d.c., where there s a lot of politics involved and each side has a reason to not cooperate with the other. anderson, we have 11 former governors and united states senators right now. four republicans, six democrats and one independent. we started talking informally, nothing formal former governors in the senate? i m a former governor for west virginia. we have 11 of us, former governors, we re recovering governors because it was the greatest job in the world because we could get things done. but we are used to in our work confinement as a governor of our state, bringing contentious legislators together, finding a purpose of moving forward, understanding the challenges every state has. we understand that. we think that we can add some clarity to this, and also some bipartisanship. that s what we re working on. so i ve said if the governors can t do it, nobody can. chuck schumer yesterday said that democrats are open to working with republicans, the door is open. he did seem to put self-preconditions on that cooperation. should there be preconditions on getting democrats to sit at the table? the only precondition we need is we re not going to repeal it, and the other precondition we need is we re going to go through a regular order. we re going to sit down and dissect the bill. nibble who has an idea, an amendment that comes before it goes through this process. that s the way legislatures work. that s the way the united states senate should work. we haven t done that for quite some time. that s the only preconditions you should have. anybody else that has an idea should be discussed. can republicans who have
and that is going to wrap up this hour of msnbc live. katie tur is going to take over. it s 11:00 a.m. out west, it s 2:00 p.m. in washington where it is day two of french president emanuel macron are meeting at the white house. we ll see if that special relationship between macron and the president can change the president s mind on a host of issues, primarily the iran nuclear deal. even as the president hosted his french counterpart, mr. trump was pressed on issues here at home. and at this afternoon s joint press conference, it was his embattled pick to be the next secretary of veterans affairs. i haven t heard of the particular allegations, but i will tell you, he s one of the finest people that i have met. admiral jackson, dr. jackson, he s a wonderful man. i said to him, what are you needed for? and as far as experience is concerned, the veterans administration which is approximately 13 million people, is so big, you koucould run the biggest hospital system in the world that is small time compared to the veteran s administration, so nobody has the experience, he s a high quality person. i said what are you needed for? it s totally his decision, but he ll be making a decision. the senate committee on veterans affairs said this morning they are postponing the confirmation hearing for ronnie jackson, president trump s choice to be the next va secretary. a white house official said the scope of the allegations are not yet clear. but the new york times reports that lawmakers are now examining allegations that jackson oversaw a hostile work environment as the white house physician. and allowed the overprescribing of drugs. they also have received claims wouldn t want this for anybody, he s a good man, he wouldn t want to deal with anybody, it s disgusting, he s ultimately going to make his own decision. reporter: i read that the same way as you, katie. i think we re having an issue with jeff. let s go over to garrett. reporter: we can make this argument that jackson was being unfairly maligned by the press and he made this argument also that democrats were targeting ronnie jackson because they had previously tried to derail the confirmation of the secretary of state. you got the sense that the president was trying to make the case that ronnie jackson was one of the finest men he ever met, but the president was in many ways giving jackson the opportunity to step aside if he saw fit. let s listen to what the president had to say. i don t want to put a man like this through this process, it s too ugly, and too disgusting. are you saying, mr. president, that you would stand behind him? i would stand behind him. if i were him? in my ways, i would love to be him, but the fact is, i wouldn t be him. reporter: you can plainly see the unexpected issues of governing, he didn t pick mr. jackson because he had a deep well of managing large organizations. he said mr. jackson didn t have that, most people don t. and he said that he thought this would be smooth sailing, we know that certainly wasn t the case. it appears the president picked ronnie jackson without the proper vetting because he likes him personally. he had a strong personal rapport and the president gave him that clean bill of health after he had his physical. but mr. jackson says he s still looking forward to continuing in this process. it you were able you were able to catch up with ronnie jackson while he was up on capitol hill. reporter: if we take the president at his word about the conversations he had with jackson. he had these conversations with the veterans affairs committee, just as the president was speaking, he left the hill a few minutes before the president made those comments publicly. what dr. jackson told me is he s looking forward to answering all the questions about him. although when i asked him those questions, he didn t answer them to me. dr. jackson, can you say anything about all these allegations that have come out about you in the last couple of days? i m looking forward to getting the hearing rescheduled and answering everybody s giant offravrmp. if you want to leave, you can sail right out the door and i wish you well. and also democrats saying once pompeo got through the committee and pompeo will probably get okayed as the nominee for secretary of state, the democrats went and looked for somebody else to, he did not say torture, but to tear down and derail the confirmation process. but when you think about the vetting that this senawhite hou does, they re in trouble about the vetting of paul manafort or rick gates, the vetting wasn t done there. donald trump refused to be vetted himself. often when you re running for the white house, you let your team vet you to get ready for things that you might get attacked about in the white house. the president doesn t care particularly to vet anybody in there administration. do we know how the vetting process works, even if there s a team of people at the white house? there is a team of people who handle that at the white house and they work for the chief of staff in this case john kelly, so this is raising new questions about john kelly s role in overseeing all of this. as part of the vetting that is done, there are often times conversations with, in this case, it woulders on the hill, whether or not the nominee would have an easy nomination process. it appears that that conversation didn t even happen. so if the white house isn t doing the careful vetting on the small things, what sort of big picture issues are wbr id= wbr6440 /> they missing as well. mitch mcconnell was asking the nomination process a moment ago, let s play that. with regard to the jackson nomination, i m waiting to hear from both chairman isaacson from the administration, what they believe the way forward should be, and we ll take our queues /b> wbr-id= wbr6600 /> from them. mr. mcconnell, did you meet with dr. jackson? so the president says it s dr. jackson s decision, senator mcconnell says it s the white house s decision, they re waiting to hear their queues from the white house. it does sound like they re waiting for jackson to bow out. that this confirmation is not going to go forward, am i right? kevin barron, are you there? executive editor of defense one. i assume the viewers just knew your face and wouldn t actually need an sbintroduction. it s business as usual at the white house, so this nomination is already off the rails before it really began. and, yeah, it sounded today like the president gave him an offramp. but he still wanted him. in the same breath, the president said he wouldn t put himself through the process, but he did, he s the president, he knows how this goes. so i m less worried about the lack of i m not so worried about business as usual, because this is what we have come to expect. it does sounuoes sound like it hands of whether he wants to go through this or not, so i guess we ll have to wait and see. let s wait and see if dr. jackson does bow out of the white house. who would where be on the top of the va s list for a person to run that agency, kevin? 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it seems that relationship we have now seen over the last 24 hours in fact, they seem to truly get along very well, the french president and the u.s. president, we saw that in mt. vernon yesterday, we also saw that at the white house, but it really is a contrast between how they get along as presidents and the views they actually have, which as you say are completely different from one to the other. and it looks like the french president didn t get all too much out of his meetings at the white house. there are many ways of looking at this right now, there are ma getting briefs saying they believe they got a concession from the u.s. president, that contention being that he, president trump will now look at the nuclear deal in a bigger frame work, that means he will be looking at the nuclear deal and several other deals on the side. but from the press conference at the white house just a short while ago, the u.s. president says he s going to make a decision on the 12th of may, he looked at the president emanuel macron right next to him and said you know very well what kind of a decision i will take. and he didn t exactly get a smile back from his french counterpart. in other words it still looks like that departure by the u.s. from the iran nuclear deal is very likely indeed. you saw them speak and say they both got what they wanted out of this, but i was at the white house earlier today but it didn t look good to see the u.s. president attack that nuclear deal while standing and sitting next to the french president. the president knows very well that president macron came here with a few things to talk about, none more important to try and convince the president to stay in the nuclear deal with iran. it is very unlikely that he proceeded in getting precisely that. let me ask you that, if he doesn t walk away with a major concession, having him stay in the iran nuclear deal, which is a very big deal for the french president, or getting back in the paris climate accords or something else. what good is it to be seen walking around holding our president s hand to be accepting a kiss on the cheek, smiling as he brushes dust off his lapel, does he risk his reputation back in france having looked so chummy with the president and walking away with nothing? he certainly risks something there, because remember that u.s. president donald trump is very, very unpopular in france and indeed in large parts of the rest of europe. so why would the french president indeed come to the white house and be so chummy with his american counterpart. one would presume to come out of here with an end product. it s unlikely there will be an end product to give to the french people if you will and indeed president macron s counter parts in the uk and in germany. they had a strategy meeting between macron and merkel before the french president arrived here about how to tackle these important issues including the nuclear deal. it looks like president macron is not going to go home with too much to show. you mention the paris accord, there s not much to get president trump to sign up for the paris climate deal again. what the president also wanted was some extensions from not getting those trade tariffs on steel and aluminum imports imposed on france and other european union countries, no confirmation yet on whether he got that either. this was indeed a pretty risky trip for the french president, and it still is, more than anything, because he s been very, very friendly indeed with a person who is very unpopular in europe. now the frame work that emanuel macron has been giving to this visit hiere in washington is tht this is a strong relationship between france and the united states, a historically strong one and that is why they need to show that they can get along. white house correspondent come back soon please. and senior counselor for the albright stone bridge group and an msnbc contributor. thanks for being here. a lot of folks will say that france s president is trying to manipulate the president, trying to play the long game, by being very chummy, in a way that angela merkel cannot or teresa may cannot, but if he walks away leaving with nothing, does it show, one, that the president is just stone minded and is not going to move on these issues? or that ultimately that he just doesn t have any real influence? i think we re about to find out over the next couple of weeks, president macron gave president trump offramps, he gave him an offramp about keeping troops in syria for a while, because it s part of a larger strategy to deal with iran and to build a political settlement in syria. he gave president trump an offramp on the joint conference of plan of action, the iran deal,ing let s leave that post here, but let s build three other posts and we will then have a big house that will cover all of our concerns about iran. i suspect he will also say you have a new secretary of state likely to be confirmed shortly, so why don t you give him some time to work with us. so i think that president macron has given on several issues here, he s saying that the paris climate agreement is not just about france. and we will see if any of those offramps will be taken by the president and see if macron can say that he made progress here. this can also be a north korea issue as well, because if america is seen to be pulling out of the iran deal, what assurance does iran have that any agreements will be honored in the future. and kim jong-un opened and honorable today and then a reporter followed up on that in the bilat a moment ago, asking why he would call a dictator who just recently sent back one of our citizens in pretty bad shape and dies a short time later, an honorable person. you mentioned today that you thought that the leader of north korea has behaved openly and honorably. this is something that many people have accused of starving his people, killing family members. what did you mean when you called him that? i think we re doing very well, meetings are being set up. and i want to see denuclearization of north korea, a lot of concessions have already been made, we have made no concessions despite some of the media saying i have made concessions. what is the president s strategy here, obviously it s very different from other leaders before him. i think what he s frying to do is create a positive pathway to a summit. quite frankly if any other person, democrat or republican, donald trump would have said it s outrageous to stay that a dictator that oppresses off the human rights in this country, lets people starve, and takes other country s citizens as hostages is open and honorable. we know where things stand, we re not naive, we re going to have talks at this summit. i know what i m doing. kim jong-un understands that as well. i think all would have been able to say, okay, let s that s a good first step, let s go on. i wonder what otto warmbier s family ask thinking and other families that have family members being held in north korea. and president michaabout mi cohen, saying that s a stupid question, but how stupid would that be if the fixer flips. that is next. today, there are more sensors on our planet than people. we re putting ai into everything, and everything into the cloud. it s all so. smart. but how do you work with it? 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[ inaudible ] stupid question. is it a stupid question? if cohen knows there s a pardon on the horizon, could it keep him quiet? or quieter? and is there a chance of cohen caving better than not? even president trump suggested today it could be a legal minefield. the executive editor of bloomberg blind field and chuck rosenberg is former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official. tim, let s start with you, i wanted to get the sense of michael cohen, he s been pretty loyal to donald trump, you ve obviously had dealings with him, what is your sense of how far michael s low pressure systyalt? i think anybody that s been around donald trump for any any lgtd of time that donald trump s loyalty is a one-way street. outside of his family, his children, his loyalty doesn t really extend very far beyond that. and that has to be weighing heavily in michael cohen s mind. a think a little bit of daylight came between cohen and the president the day that the fbi raided cohen s office. he said it was disgusting, the fbi knocked on my lawyer s door and they bursted into his office. and michael cohen said it was actually a little bit more polite. this is a guy who historically has said i will take a bullet for the president, i ll do anything to protect him. and in this moment when the chips finally came out on the table, he was saying no, i have a different recollection. a source told me that cohen basically knew that the president was speaking right to him when he was holding that news conference, when he was sitting in that cabinet spray, supposed to be talking about syria, but instead talking about michael cohen and how disgusting it was that the fbi raided his office. in hearing that, chuck, that the idea that cohen might have thought the president was talking directly to him, what would your legal take be on that? well, i don t know who the president was talking to, katie, i do know this. but if a witness thinks that a subject or a target of an investigation thinks a person who could pardon them is talking directly to them when he says, hey, listen, this was a disgusting and terrible raid, as a prosecutor, what would you take from that? yeah, so as a prosecutor, it s possible that the president is saying to a witness, a potential witness, stay strong, i have your back. if and only if mr. cohen, you have mine. and that type of conversation particularly happening, you know, in private or well over the airwaves can be awfully troubling to prosecutors. i don t know that that s what the president was saying, but i guess as a prosecutor, i tend to have a suspicious mind and that s what it makes me think of. i do want to ask you about politico s analysis, they say that it could be pretty tricky to potentially get michael cohen to flip. and again, we should be clear that we don t know that it s the intention of the sdny to get cohen to flip. but here s what politico writes, even if cohen is determined to break his confidence with trump legal ethics might deter federal prosecutors from vetting his relationship with donald trump. is it going to be hard? it s going to be hard, but it s not a minefield. by the way the minefield analogy is useful. because with the right equipment, as you well know, you can navigate a minefield. so imagine in a search warrant, they get three types of stuff. one bucket would mr. stuff that is absolutely not privileged, which the filter team can give to the investigative team. one bucket of stuff is things that are clearly privileged, which the filter team would keep and the investigative team would never see. then there s that middle category which is a little bit harder and that s why prosecutors get paid all that money and get to make decisions about things that may be privileged and they can go to the judge if they need more guidance. it s not rocket science, it happen s all the time. prosecutors make these determinations and decide what they can and cannot use. so i think that politico article is helpful, but i also think it s a little bit overwrought. quote, cohen isn t the biggest catch from the trump world, other players know far more about the president s dealings than his lawyer does. this is what you wrote on bloomberg view. who were you talking about? i was talking about jason greens abo gre greenb greenblatt who is president trump s white house attorney. people attach their stars to the president s wagon in the hopes of furthering their own careers. michael cohen began working there in 2006. he wasn t an attorney in any of the usual ways, he was a fixer, he solved problems for trump. if there s somebody inside the trump administration who knows where the skeletons are, it s jason greenblatt. but jason greenblatt would have more cover than michael kon does if he was acting as an advisor or a fixer, right, chuck? one more way to think of it, i think the factual contours that he lays out are really important. but prosecutors don t really set out to get anybody, what they want from cohn is the truth and they re going to take that truth wherever it leads, it may lead to the president, it may not lead to the president, it may lead to other people, we don t know sitting here. but i don t like the characterization of prosecutors setting out to get somebody. at least good prosecutors don t think that way. i think it s always important to remember that the prosecution here, the sdny could solely be going after something that michael cohen did alone, with no real intention of trying to get him to turn on the president of the united states. there s got to be reason why this is with sdny and not with robert mueller. gentlemen, thank you very much. and could a blue wave hit the special election to replace arizona congressman trent franks? 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because this is the district that we re talking about, 2016, trump by 21. this is a very republican area, a little different than what we saw in pennsylvania 18 a few weeks ago, where democrats had won races, they had a lot of democratic voters. this is republican through and through, so the question becomes can the democrats eat significantly into that trump-romney margin, can they get it to the single digits. you put them up there, that s the broader context for what we re looking at here, a burge of double digit gains for house elections, they had one last year in kansas, they had one in montana. they cut 15 points off trump s margin, they obviously were able to win pennsylvania. can they get that 21-point trump margin down to single digits. they would take that tonight as a sign of, hey, there s movement even in red america, for republicans, they want double digits tonight at least. i hope movement in red america means a lot more movement in blue or purple america, maybe those who weren t so excited in 2016. steve, thank you. are you going to be holding a pen in your hand? i may not be able to eat so much tonight. here s what two voters told our own von hilliard on the ground. i voted for the democratic candidate. reporter: do you usually vote democratic? no, i m a republican, but lasko seemed to want to go to congress and get things done. reporter: who did you vote for? debby, absolutely. overall i m a republican, have voted republicans my whole life, believe in all the measures that president trump is putting in place and believe that debby supports all that. joining me now hiral tipirneni who is the democratic candidate in the race, dr. tipirneni, thank you so much for being here. thank you for having me, i appreciate it. we were able to catch up with your opponent debbie lasko a little bit earlier. i m just a better fit for this district, whether it be securing the border, my opponent is not really in favor she doesn t want to put any money towards a border wall or improving education. i really have been a strong proponent of that, the whole nine years that i ve been in the legislature. i also think that it s important to the people in our district that we have low taxes and less government regulation and i m definitely in support of that. my opponent not so much. so is she correct in stating your positions? no, she s not correct and in fact i am a very good fit for this district. it s a drikt i haistrict i have for 21 years and it s a little disingenuous when she refers to those issues because i have actually been working on strengthening education throughout. i have a very clear health care plan, because there s a big issue for voters all across the west valley. their premiums are going up, and i have a detailed plan to get us to a point where everybody has quality, affordable health care. as far as taxes go, that tax cut bill, that harmed my district. a very small percentage of people in my district got a benefit from that. so we need to work on protecting the middle class, and elder voters. it s also threatening social security way i m committed to fighting for. so i m a very good fit for this district and i m excited that we have been resonating with the voters throughout the campaign time. you also said that you are not in support of the wall or any real security funding for the border. and that s incorrect as well. that s a mischaracterization. i have spoken very clearly about where i stand on this. we have to have secure borders, there s no doubt. there are smart ways to go about it. we have to follow the data. some money should go to re-enforcing those areas of the border fencing that are vulnerable. we should be enhancing our board security patrol. investing in technology, drones. $26 billion is a very hefty price tag on something that isn t necessarily going to keep us any safer. one of the areas of the largest overstaying their visas. a border wall does nothing for that. if we are worried about drugs, we also know a large proportion of drugs are coming in through ports of entry. again, a wall does nothing for that. we have to be smart, we have to keep our borders secure. but there are smart ways to go about doing it and we have to be mindful of the cost of it as well. good luck to you today. thank you for being here. thank you for having me. i appreciate it. epa chief scott pruitt may drop a new rule today that impacts the air you breathe and products probably inside your home right now. what you need to know with the reporter who broke that story, next. ng to manage my a1c, and then i learn type 2 diabetes puts me at greater risk for heart attack or stroke. can one medicine help treat both blood sugar and cardiovascular risk? 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exactly. well, that s certainly how administrator pruitt and his supporters would describe this rule. they would say that what they are doing is taking the underlying data that s behind the studies that epa uses to draft, say, environmental regulations and other rules that they issue, and let everyone scrutinize them and reproduce it. what many researchers counter is that many of these critical studies particularly on issues such as air pollution, pesticide exposure and other issues, are done through these long-term studies where they get participants to provide personal information about their medical history, about their personal behavior and practices, in exchange for confidentiality and that basically, by saying that now this data would have to be revealed, this would not only potentially disqualify a slew of studies that already exist, it might deter people from signing up for these studies in the first place. in addition to the fact that it would cost millions of dollars to essentially redact this data so that it would not be inadvertently released. they are saying it would limit the science they could use. what are the concerns about real life consequences in terms of water and air? this could potentially affect a huge slew of studies, including some landmark older studies that have underpinned, for example, some of the most basic air pollution rules that we have today, which affect the kind of the level of soot that can be emitted from power plants and other burning of fossil fuels like auto emissions. it could affect everything from, say, drinking water advisories across the country in terms of a lake, how much fish you could consume as well as maybe potentially what household products. there are huge implications depending on how epa defines what data needs to be released. in the broader view, how would you say scott pruitt is trying to change the epa? is he taking it away from a science-based approach to a holistic based approach on the environment and moving it more towards something, i don t know, friendlier to the industries it s supposed to regulate? i think both mr. pruitt and those who criticize him would say he is changing the way the epa uses science and evaluates it and again, how you define that depends on where you stand. but essentially what he s doing is he s certainly questioning some of the traditional science that epa has used including epa s own studies and as a result, he s allowing many industry studies to rise and play greater influence in decision making. affecting millions of people with their water and air. julia, thank you so much for coming in and talking about this. thanks so much. one more thing before we go. tonight will be historic for president trump. it is his first state dinner and as we have been discussing all day, the soiree was planned by the first lady. menus grace each plate, fresh-cut flowers, and as my colleague vivian salama points out, the president had no part in its planning. here s what he said in 2016. all these other people that rip us off we give them these big state dinners. we give them state dinners like you ve never seen. we shouldn t have dinners at all. we should be eating a hamburger on a conference table and forget the state dinners. you forget the state dinners. that costs by the way, a fortune. that costs a fortune. hamburgers, the president will have to give up the golden arches for tonight. somehow he will have to find a way to deal with the goat cheese rack of spring lamb and carolina gold rice jambalaya. wonder if he will get a well-done steak. we should point out a couple points of irony that will be served up. the dishes they will be dining on, white house china from the clinton and bush eras. two, although tonight s dinner showcases two leaders of the world s greatest democracies, no press will be allowed in. only one, count them, one democrat was invited. the governor of louisiana.