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Capital. i talked to a lot of conservative members, they're rallying behind paul ryan, they're realizing we can't keep killing our own and stop playing these procedural games. >> a lot of people on the right have been throwing darts at paul ryan, saying he's soft on immigration. he seems to feel he has enough conservative support to not block every move? >> i think ryan will be tasked with two very difficult things. he has the debt limit on november 3rd, which there's still belief boehner could get that out of the way. conservatives are upset about the current budget caps that were put forward...

Billion? >> you have to be able to cut across the board. that's what the sequester was. some sequester was a cut in the rate of growth. it was cutting across the board and actually was something that was slowing down the accumulation of debt and we abandoned most of that last year and that what's coming up now and what many in the leadership are saying yes, we're going to bust the budget caps. the last remaining vestige of control is going to be busted. but not because of democrats. because of an unholy alliance between the right and the left who are so hung are for more spending, they can't g...

Debt ceiling, it's sort of giving more credit to people who are drunk on spending. we can't give them more credit. so what i was use as an opportunity, use the leverage for those who believe we have to raise the debt ceiling, use this leverage to try to get spending cuts. in 2011 -- even though president obama says he's not going to negotiate on this front at all. >> he said he wouldn't negotiate last time and he did in 2011 he negotiated and we got sequestration or overall budget caps. i think you do need that you should use the leverage. all of these things should be points of leverage for c...

Do and then we're going to fight and make that case to the american people. >> what about budget caps under sequestration? are you willing to lift the caps so you would have spending on both defense and domestic spending? >> personally, i want to cut spending. personally, i just don't believe that we can continue to add to the deficit. so i actually, personally, like the budget cap. i do believe we need more money for the military. we need more money for the v.a. we need to help those taking care of us and i want to fight cancer. it's killing 1500 people a day. again, it's not my personal agen...

The american people. >> what about budget caps under spree sequestration? are you willing to lift the caps so you would have more spending on defense and domestic spending? >> i want to cut spending. i don't believe we can continue to add to the deficit and i like the budget caps. i believe we need more money for the military and more money for the va. take care of the people taking care of us. and fight cancer killing 1,500 people a day. it is not my personal agenda, we will move forward as the speaker you have to take the will of our body and fight for that. >> government will reach its debt...