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I thought perhaps a coincidence. yesterday in looking at these emails, it just can't be a coincidence. even the reference to cincinnati. it does look like a covert behind the scenes dirty effort to reverse a decision. >> right. >> someone may think it's a lousy decision, maybe it should be reversed -- maybe some legislation, whatever. but this is done by the irs at a covert fashion behind the scenes, targeting people. >> yeah. and, look, liberal groups have been using 501 c 4s to be involved in public advocacy and politics for decades. and it never martyed. it never mattered to the liberals in...

The heavy hammer of their power to try to shut down political speech. >> silencing your critics is commonplace in authoritarian country. >> mr. speaker, for goodness sakes, this is not about the first amendment. this is about allowing secret money in campaigns. >> whenever somebody in washington tells you don't really it's not really about free free speech, trust me it is. >> coward back room regulation. >> they try to look pop police by creating false and fake scandals. >> house majority whip ken mccarthy joins us. nice to he sue. >> nice to be here. >> the irs proposal. explain what this is....

All of these are tax deductibles. here are the unions they are allowed to do it all. this the is present administration trying to stifle the voices. this isn't just about republicans opposed to. this aclu opposed to this and also the syria club. because this is what the new proposal would be. stifle the a 01 c 4s. >> what's the difference between 501 c 4 and 501 c 3. >> this is tax deductible. this is charitable these are syria club. these are your volunteer firefighters. these are the individual groups going through. and you know what? the comment period ends tomorrow it. they have gotten 69,...

About a progressive hedge fund guy putting in, trying to put in $100 million, you have the koch brothers and a lot of organizations on the right battling each other and the irs decision that may be coming down where 501 c 4s will be altered. are we going to be spending the first six months talking about campaign finance and exactly, you know, how we keep huge money out of these races? >> well, we'll need to be talking about something because we're going to want to talk about the 2014 election before we know anything about it. we probably will do that. in terms of how it's shaping up this is a ...

Social policy so that if this candidate is promoting the issue that we care about, it's not really politicking it's for better social life? >> that's exactly what this deals with you know, most of the debates about campaign finance and free speech turn on whether something is an issue or whether it's campaigning. for example, the proposed regulations would redefine issue ads where group out there tells a senator to vote for a bill or vote against it. if they mention his name 30 to 60 days before an election that is classified as political rather than social welfare. you would see a supreme cou...