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And its allies, other members, aren't going to make any further concessions to us. therefore, we might as well take what we want because they're not going to fight, they're not going to stop us. yeah, well, um, that conflates several different thoughts. again, you know, when putin lined up 75% of his military, 130,000 troops on the border, there weren't a lot of outstanding options at that moment. he was ready to go. so, you know, ithink we employed what we could to — use your word — to delay it, and hopefully in that delay, putin's calculus changes, and a huge part of that calculus is mak...

About sanctions. just on this question of strategy, the president said we're calling out russia's plans loudly and repeatedly because we're doing everything in our power to remove any reason that russia may give tojustify invading ukraine. what is the risk, though, of miscalculation here, that in a sense, that's not the message that putin gets? the message he gets is that there's no point in talking because america isn't going to make or nato and its allies aren't going to make any further concessions to us. therefore, we might as well take what we want because they're not going to fight, they...

Facing defeat, that the calculus changes. i want to play his comments and get your reaction. >> always reminds of hitler. last days, miracle weapon to change the world and destroy the world. i believe that putin will not be able to push the red button. >> he's not the only one to say that if cornered, putin might consider those outlier options and i wonder whether chemical weapons or tactical nuclear weapons, battlefield nukes. do you share that concern? >> i share that concern but i think maybe hitler is an instructive example. hitler didn't use them. he didn't even, up until the last moment,...

Restrictions before saying they were xenophobic or didn't do much to help. do you think the calculus changes now that they're in the driver's seat? >> yeah. i think we're old enough to remember when donald trump announced travel bans, we said this is pointless. why do it? sure, it's a little bit hypocrite call, but because you have to show movement. i think the worst thing that can happen for a politician is when someone in joe biden's situation is looking like you're sitting back and waiting. even if the science, to your point, says we won't know for a couple of weeks but if joe biden waited ...

Fact democrats and other political aides on both sides of the party line are saying this probably the one chance democrats have to pass major sweeping domestic legislation. but that calculus changes if you pass a voting rights bill that prevents the gerrymandering we're going to be seeing from the states, that makes it more likely that republicans are able to take back the house next year. there are estimates that republicans will be able to take back the house just based on gerrymandered districts alone within the next year. so if you get this bill over the line or some sort of bill that prot...