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Had already stopped the Trip Planning by that point. And when did that happen . Stopping the Trip Planning . Yeah. On may 13th. Okay. And how did you hear about that . I was called by a colleague in the the Vice President s chief of staffs office and told to stop the Trip Planning. Okay. And as i understand it, it was the assistant to the chief of staff . Thats correct. Okay. And so you didnt hear about it from general kellogg or the chief of staff or the president or the Vice President , you heard about it from mr. Shorts assistant . Thats right. And did you have any knowledge of the reasonin...

Chairman schiff allowed her to answer our questions. when we asked mr. morrison who he spoke to after the call about the call, he was willing to answer our question, and mr. schiff -- chairman schiff allowed him to answer our question. but when we ask you, you first told us three individuals, at the nsc, your brother, and the two lawyers. and then you said there was a group of other people you communicated with, but you would only give us one individual in that group. secretary kent, and the chairman would only allow you to give us that name, when we asked you who else you kpcommunicated with ...

National security adviser would either personally or via his senior team authorize folks to give a verbal readout of what happened to key personnel at the state department, dni, cia, and other relevant officials while waiting for the official transcript or call readout to be finalized and sent around. so this defense that this was to prevent leaking really doesn't hold water, especially based upon the fact that this call readout wasn't initially classified at a code word level, in which case it would have been handled in the first instance on the code word system. >> house speaker nancy pelosi...

Call doesn't get out. >> that rough transcript was eventually released and nothing was redacted, so there couldn't be have been much sensitive information. sam, give us some connect hetex what do we need to know? >> while the white house might have tried to scrub the digital record of this call readout from the top secret system and transfer it to the code word system, they can't scrub the verbal readouts. allegedly in the whistle-blower complaint, there were numerous officials at the state department and the house who knew what happened on this call. so the white house wasn't concerned about ...

This from folks at the white house and then said, hey, this might be a problem, this might be soliciting a foreign contribution, but that because it didn't involve an intelligence activity or anybody in the intelligence community's actions it didn't fit that. nonetheless justice said it should have been referred to for criminal investigation which is what they said happened. so actually i think from doj's perspective they think they handled this right. >> what do you think, neil? >> i think there were two revelations, not one. they're focussing on this call readout which says the ukrainian pre...